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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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It still is.

They have license and royalty agreements with labels now and takedown methods for rights holders who object to things as well as quite capable detection machinery.

I work in this space and there is still a ton of illegal content on YT. As stated earlier, the main difference is that YT complies when infringements are eventually found.

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Totally fair point, but what can you do? This is how the world works. Fighting such beasts is pointless. You might tame them with lobby money, but no billionaire is interested. And we're now talking about the human spirit that cannot be chained, as also seen in Pirate Bay or Snowden. Sure, people do need heroes and hope from time to time. But I have become less romantic over the years, and more careful.

Educate the next generations. Maybe we'll have a generation of people with a backbone again who will be able to free us from government oppression. The trend is going the other way, so I think we're heading to socialism-ville for a repetition of last century's lessons.

A lot of the best things we have in the modern world are "socialism". Libraries and parks are socialist. Socialism isn't a dirty word, nor is it an argument or a criticism.

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Didn't YouTube get popular on pirated content first? What was the main difference of the initial phase of YouTube and MegaUpload? They both went legal later.

For the first 5 years videos were limited to 10 minutes. Clips of things were popular and there were things split between many videos, but that's not what I remember the people around me using youtube for.

In my social groups at the time(late highschool, early college) it was exclusively used for watching TV shows. The 10min limit was only a minor annoyance, and more than made up for the fact that it was free fast video hosting at time when that was extremely rare.

It was not just a nerd thing either, I remember someone I was dating in the mid 2000s bemoaning that YouTube had cracked down on TV content.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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It's still a human. He just shared songs on the the internet. He's treated like a war criminal.

He didn't "share songs on the internet". He created a site where you can upload anything with complete privacy and anonymity. And then used it for racketeering, allegedly, which is where the government interest starts. The RIAA/MPAA want their pound of flesh, too, and it gave plenty of fertile ground for the US DOJ to build a case around so that they could get discovery and find out what they were really trying to ge…

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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YouTube has a thousand to a million times more copyrighted content than Megaupload ever had. And no, not all of it is via partnerships with the copyright holders. Kim's problem apparently was that he didn't bribe Congress.

This is a place where “intention” matters to the courts. A lot of these laws require the platform to make a “best effort” at preventing illegal uploads. YT is making an effort and claiming it’s their best.

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I've heard it articulated as "There are no rules, only consequences." which I take to refer to the Legal Realism idea that the rules are just what we bind each other to. The written rules only matter if some "powerful" entity (like the government, or a mob, or civil court) is committed to holding you to them.

> There are no rules, only consequences I understand this as "if you're willing to suffer the consequences, then there is no rule." E.g. a millionaire might be fine getting a speeding ticket, so that particular rule might as well not exist (except in Finland? where they scale speeding tickets to income)

Even then it still hurts the millionaire less than the ordinary person.

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Didn't YouTube get popular on pirated content first? What was the main difference of the initial phase of YouTube and MegaUpload? They both went legal later.

I am sure if youtube execs had emails showing that they were actively encouraging and participating in the posting of copyrighted material on the site they would have been prosecuted as well. Thats the evidence against Kim Dotcom, emails.

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YouTube has a thousand to a million times more copyrighted content than Megaupload ever had. And no, not all of it is via partnerships with the copyright holders. Kim's problem apparently was that he didn't bribe Congress.

> Kim's problem apparently was that he didn't bribe Congress. Can you elaborate? Is there concrete evidence of this or just a general feeling that it must have happened?

I'd hope we could be nuanced enough to differentiate lobbying and bribing. "Bribing" is what you do in Russia or Tunisia when a cop pulls you over and you slip him $100 to get him off your tail. Lobbying, while potentially nefarious, has completely non-nefarious uses. Private corporations have a right to be involved in the legislative process.

If Congress was considering a federal ban on all electric cars in the United States, I'd want Tesla's government relations figures on Capitol Hill talking about it.

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No, it was not "pretty much the same" as Dropbox. Megaupload took steps to specifically support piracy. When a movie studio would report a pirated copy of one of their movies, Megaupload would tell the studio they removed it but in reality they would only make it so the specific link the studio new about would stop working. They would not delete the underlying file and any other links would continue to work. This fai…

I was talking about Megaupload vs. MEGA. >This failure to remove the underlying file was not a technical limitation. This, and the rest of your comment makes sense in 2024, but not around 2010. Back then: * All file sharing platforms had this exact problem. This was the problem at the time. You were even able to find full length movies on YouTube quite easily. They were eventually removed, but it was a long, manual a…

> All file sharing platforms had this exact problem. This was the problem back then. You could even find full length movies on YouTube quite easily. They were eventually removed, but it was a long, manual and tedious process. Even today, this is still not completely solved.

At Megaupload they were not eventually removed. At Megaupload the same physical file could be accessed by different URLs. When a rights holder reported the content Megaupload only made it so the specific URL no longer worked.

> If we are fair, Kim was not the one uploading the restricted content to Megaupload, neither encouraging it.

He was encouraging it. Top management of Megaupload had discussions specifically about encouraging more piracy and making it harder for rights holders to get infringing material removed.

They published list of the top downloads, but first checked them for pirated content and removed those items from the list. What purposed does that have other than trying to hide the infringement?

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Are any of the people who were arrested for RIAA/MPAA violations still imprisoned? That was such a weird time to be a kid. Scared if I downloaded a Greenday mp3 my parents would get arrested for piracy and I'd never be able to work in computers.

Oh yeah once they started cracking down I stopped watching any mainstream movies, music, etc., especially not anything less than 10 years old. You miss out on a banger here and there, but it's a lot safer.
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