I am sure this is pointed out elsewhere, but ticketmasters business model is based on lying to the public so that the artists and venues don’t have to. Taylor Swift is a nice-ish person and wants her fans to think they can buy tickets for her shows at about 25 bucks because that’s a lot of money for a 12 year old and she does not want to alienate her fans. Her manager is an evil cackling bastard and wants to get as m…
As much as I dislike Ticketmaster this is pure conspiracy unless you provide sources
Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even government software has issues (Vienna). I paid a €100+ fine for not having a ticket, even though I spent time going through the purchase flow. I have 100s of tickets purchased. Live agent and support agent just shrugged and told me I don't know how to use the app, washed their hands of any responsibility or need for understanding. It's like there's no way to make the software human and humans in the loop have a…
That’s just reflection of your culture. I.e. I come from Eastern Europe where cheating is so engrained and “i made an oopsie” would never fly. Beurocracy is face to face and takes ages Now living in NZ I get tons of slack for something like “verify youre local for free museum entry” or “get your passport by post”. Life is so much easier when societal trust is high.
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#394I am sure this is pointed out elsewhere, but ticketmasters business model is based on lying to the public so that the artists and venues don’t have to. Taylor Swift is a nice-ish person and wants her fans to think they can buy tickets for her shows at about 25 bucks because that’s a lot of money for a 12 year old and she does not want to alienate her fans. Her manager is an evil cackling bastard and wants to get as m…
Fundamentally, if there's someone out there willing to pay up to $x for a space-limited event, they will find someone to give that $x to. I'd rather that person be the artist.
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#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
Buying something at a low price and selling it at a high price is arbitrage 101 and is free money. The "true solution" is to sell tickets at their actual market price instead of pretending that the face value of concert tickets isn't increasing due to a larger population and greater demand.
It's interesting how the real problem here is that our economic system has no way to sell a product at what the seller will bear, only what the buyer will bear. I think this is a fascinating feature, a lot of artists would be more than happy to make $X for a show so that their fans can come see them. The problem ends up that a free market has no mechanism for that, the artist can sell the tickets such that they end u…
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps a better question is: Why not PDF417? What functional improvement would be had by using a 2D QR code?
PDF417 has non-square pixels (or rather as it's called in barcode nomenclature "modules") which feels very janky - it was meant for linear scanners after all. Oh, and quoting Wikipedia: In practice, a PDF417 symbol takes about four times the area of a DataMatrix or QR Code.
Which of these aspects offers a functional improvement in this application?
("Feels janky" doesn't quite cut the mustard, I don't think.)
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How often has this been a problem though? How about not keeping your boarding pass, or ticket, or credit card for that matter, visible for the world? Just put it in your wallet, I don't know. This is security FUD. Stop solving problems that do not exist to the point where it makes the news when they do happen, once a century. This DRM scheme concretely creates millions of small annoyances to millions of people and wa…
It also happens that pranksters can cancel your travel if your boarding passes make it on to Twitter or other social media. It's not a non-problem like you make it out to be. Sure, it won't happen to you or me, because we know it is a risk to expose these documents, but that is not true of most people. Maybe the DRM is not worth it. I actually think it's obnoxious for concert tickets (I recently had to deal with this…
The security theater of checking ID does nothing to stop this. What's your point?
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#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't confirm what they said, but TicketMaster does have a "partner" reseller program for scalpers where they have tools to help scalpers list and manage resale tickets in bulk. They also have events where they help teach scalpers how to make more money, which is good for TicketMaster since it makes even more money on secondary sales. Ticket scalping used to be illegal, and now TicketMaster is helping facilitate it…
> Scalping aside, TicketMaster is taking massive fees each time the same ticket is sold. For example, I went to an event last year and the fee was $50 on each ticket, and these were reseller tickets so TicketMaster had already taken a fee on each of those tickets at least once already (perhaps more than once). So your evidence is that you were charged a $50 fee on a separate transaction that didn't involve TicketMast…
I'll lay it out in detail so it's more clear: TicketMaster sold the original ticket to the scalper. Then the scalper listed the ticket on TicketMaster's secondary market. Then I bought the ticket on TicketMaster's secondary market and TicketMaster collected a $50/ticket fee from me. TicketMaster also collected a fee on each ticket the first time TicketMaster sold those tickets to the scalper.
TicketMaster also charges the scalper a fee to list the ticket, so TicketMaster actually made more than the $50/ticket fee that they collected from me.
It's also possible that the ticket was sold on TicketMaster's secondary market several times before I bought it on TicketMaster's secondary market, which would allow TicketMaster to collect many fees on the same ticket.
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#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps a better question is: Why not PDF417? What functional improvement would be had by using a 2D QR code?
One possible reason I can think of is that phone camera apps will not proactively read PDF417 barcodes like they will QR codes, thus discouraging people from thinking they can scan and decode them.
My phone's default camera app can recognize QR and UPC (and certainly other things; but I have other tools that I usually use when actually-using barcodes so I'm not that familiar with this part of the camera app), but it doesn't seem willing to do anything with PDF417.
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#400This sort of ticketing thing is a trivially solvable problem. It is solved at every airport in the entire world millions of times per day. You provide the name of each concertgoer when you buy a ticket, and they show up with their ticket and ID. You often need to show your ID at these kinds of venues to prove you're old enough to drink beer anyway.
No, it's not. At my work here we'll all go online to try and get tickets to a big gig. One of us might get in, so that person will get ~8 tickets or whatever the maximum is. And then we split them between us, transfering over cash etc. If we have a few left over we'll sell them to friends for the ticket value. But none of us have any intention of lining up with the others to get in. We want to go with our partners, o…