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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Post by Mayzie »

themoonisachees wrote: post #382
benreesman wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when canaries were useful as a deterrent: even with an apathetic public on balance the tech community was pretty vigilant. These days Snowden is screaming into the void even as concerns HN readers, never mind that he was completely right at great personal cost the first time. I still trust Moxie, and Carmack/Palmer/etc. seem to be taking a stand, there are others, but it’s getting thin.

The main problem with canaries is that it's dead easy for a government to remove them from existence, simply issue subpoenas to every website that has one. The users could then decide to jump ship but realistically they won't.

> The main problem with canaries is that it's dead easy for a government to remove them from existence, simply issue subpoenas to every website that has one.

Why can't social media platforms implement warrant canaries per user profile?

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Post by iamtedd »

damsalor wrote: post #365
dav43 wrote: post #359

The lack of support and lack of agitation by the Australian Government on both sides of parliament is a testament to how bad Australian politics is. He was an Australia citizen left out to dry. Disgraceful.

Aus can hardly antagonize us/uk

Don't help our own citizens in trouble, in case we offend a foreign country?

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Post by benreesman »

themoonisachees wrote: post #382
benreesman wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when canaries were useful as a deterrent: even with an apathetic public on balance the tech community was pretty vigilant. These days Snowden is screaming into the void even as concerns HN readers, never mind that he was completely right at great personal cost the first time. I still trust Moxie, and Carmack/Palmer/etc. seem to be taking a stand, there are others, but it’s getting thin.

The main problem with canaries is that it's dead easy for a government to remove them from existence, simply issue subpoenas to every website that has one. The users could then decide to jump ship but realistically they won't.

I don’t disagree, but I’ll observe that governments used to be much less friendly with tech incumbents, at least in public.

Ten years ago it was a scandal that big tech interacted with the surveillance state at all: Zuckerberg drove an initiative around cross-DC encryption at ruinous expense because of the mere accusation that the NSA might have a tap.

Today they’re giving us the finger with NSA board members. It’s flagrant, arrogant, and anti-hacker anything: you will do nothing, because you can do nothing.

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Post by bandrami »

hiddencost wrote: post #11
tptacek wrote: post #7

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Priorities change. He's not really a threat anymore. They've thoroughly scared people who might copy him.

No, governments have just realized leaks don't matter. The age of conspiracies is over; the public no longer distinguishes fact from BS so it doesn't matter what is and isn't out there on TikTok.

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Post by throwawaythekey »

instagib wrote: post #271
saalweachter wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What dirt did Assange release on Hillary Clinton?

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committe... >The emails and documents showed that the Democratic Party's national committee favored Clinton over her rival Bernie Sanders in the primaries.[6] These releases caused significant harm to the Clinton campaign, and have been cited as a potential contributing factor to her loss in the general election against Donald Trump.[7]

The wiki article you are quoting from really buries the lede. To give one example in the debates there were plants in the audience to ask prearranged questions for Clinton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/donna-brazile-hillary...

Re: Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Post by 317070 »

getcrunk wrote: post #257
tobyjsullivan wrote: post #41

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> In May, two judges on the High Court said he could have a full hearing on whether he would be discriminated against in the U.S. because he is a foreign national. A hearing on the issue of Assange's free speech rights had been scheduled for July 9-10. At the risk of sounding a tad conspiratorial, it's possible the U.S. agreed to this deal specifically to avoid the upcoming trial. As I understand it, there remains an…

I like how you think! I think it’s some combination of this and very recent bipartisan Australian sentiment to end it that combined into enough people having a slight shift culminating in “the system” deciding to let him go

And UK elections in less than 2 weeks which will most likely result in a change of the political landscape.

That might have been the trigger on the timing?

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Post by bboygravity »

throwup238 wrote: post #277
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #265

> Court documents revealing Assange's plea deal were filed Monday evening in U.S. District Court for the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory in the Pacific Ocean. Assange was expected to appear in that court and to be sentenced to 62 months, with credit for time served in British prison, meaning he would be free to return to Australia, where he was born. I wouldn’t get too excited just yet. He is appearing in…

IANAL but the judge can't both reject the plea deal and sentence him, since rejecting the plea deal invalidates the guilty plea. Rejecting it and remanding him to custody would cause a diplomatic incident. He's not out of the woods yet by any means, but if they reached a deal his lawyers are confident in, I wouldn't be worried about the judge. They are supposed to deffer to international law if US is a party to the t…

I don't think law, justice or even diplomacy are very relevant for most of this case.

1900 days in isolation (human rights violation), falsly accused of rape with the goal to extradite to the US, jailed outside of the US on behalf of the US (but not officially), and just the simple fact that a journalist gets jail time for exposing war crimes.

Yeah, this has nothing to do with law or justice. This is about a handful of people above the law trying to save their *sses. Anything could happen at this point.

Reminds me of when a foreign diplomatic aircraft (Equador) was forced to land in a foreign country (France), because the US thought Snowden might be on board. Remind me of the relevant law that allows for this please? lol

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Post by 2a0c40 »

iamtedd wrote: post #392
damsalor wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aus can hardly antagonize us/uk

Don't help our own citizens in trouble, in case we offend a foreign country?

Depends on the foreign country. It's the US, so yes.

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Post by josefx »

jamespo wrote: post #346
belter wrote: post #340

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"How Swedish authorities falsified the rape complaint against Julian Assange" - https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000114363431/wie-die-schwe...

Blog piece. What he did is known as "stealthing" and it strangely doesn't address that at all?

The blog explicitly mentions them but describes them as questionable. Basically claiming they where fabricated by a person with close ties to the police after their attempt to push the first set of rape accusations failed when the original victim refused to cooperate. It gives a few official documents that ordered changes to the original testimony as proof that the Swedish authorities where not above fabricating evidence push the rape claim.

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Post by zadler »

vintermann wrote: post #373
tetris11 wrote: post #327

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> At least the current Labour leader strikes me as a decent man with some actual principles and backbone and this would fundamentally be a decent thing to do. (massive sidetrack, but I can't let this sentence go unpunished) The current labour leader is the lamest duck in a group of wet blankets. His policies revolve around not being as corrupt as the Tories whilst doing virtually nothing else to better his constituen…

He is also personally responsible for the persecution of Assange. He was head of Crown Prosecution Services in the UK at the time we know (from Stefania Maurizi's FOIA requests) they actually threatened Sweden when Sweden wanted to drop the case. Wet blanked doesn't begin to cover it. I honestly think he's an entryist trying to tank the Labour party on the behalf of some British spy-lord. He's failing, but that's mor…

The spy lord is Tony Blair
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