That's not enforceable, right? I'm not a lawyer, but even I know no contract can strips you out of rights given by the constitution.
Non disparagement clauses are in so so many different employment contracts. It's pretty clear you're not a lawyer though.
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#392So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't really contradict what the other poster said. They're calling for regulation (digging a moat) to ensure systems are "safe" and "aligned" while ignoring that humans are not aligned, so these systems obviously cannot be aligned with humans; they can only be aligned with their owners (i.e. them, not you).
Humans are not aligned with humans. This is the most concise takedown of that particular branch of nonsense that I’ve seen so far. Do we want woke AI, X brand fash-pilled AI, CCPBot, or Emirates Bot? The possibilities are endless.
Which is why creating a new type of intelligent entity that could be more powerful than humans is a very bad idea: we don't even know how to align the humans and we have a ton of experience with them
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#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
It might be that they agree to it initially when hired, so it doesn't matter if they sign something when they leave.
Agreements with surprise terms that only get detailed later tend not to be very legal.
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#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they had anything close to AGI, they’d just have it improve itself. Externally this would manifest as layoffs.
This really doesn't follow. True AGI would be general , but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's smarter than people; especially the kind of people who work as top researchers for OpenAI.
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#396It probably would be better to switch the link from the X post to the Vox article [0]. From the article: “““ It turns out there’s a very clear reason for [why no one who had once worked at OpenAI was talking]. I have seen the extremely restrictive off-boarding agreement that contains nondisclosure and non-disparagement provisions former OpenAI employees are subject to. It forbids them, for the rest of their lives, fr…
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#397If the original agreement offered equity that vests, then suddenly another future agreement can potentially revoke that vested equity? It makes no sense unless somehow additional conditions were attached to the vested equity in the original agreement.
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#398Hmmmn. Most of the humans where I work do things physically with their hands. I don't see what AI will achieve in their area.
Can AI paint the walls in my house, fix the boiler and swap out the rotten windows? If so I think a subscription to chat GPT is very reasonably priced!
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#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, an AI charity -- so founded on openness that they're called OpenAI -- took millions in donations, everyone's copyright data...only to become effectively for-profit, close down their AI, and inflict a lifetime gag on their employees. In that context, it feels rather amoral.
This to me is like the "don't be evil" thing. I didn't take it seriously to begin with, I don't think reasonable people should have taken it seriously, and so it's not persuasive or really all that interesting to argue about. People are different! You can think otherwise.
But how is that even possible when corporations are typically run by ghouls who enjoy relativistic morals when it suits them. And are beholden to profits, not ethics.
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#400It's time to find a lawyer. I'm not one but there's an intersection with California SB 331, also known as “The Silenced No More Act”. while it is focused more on sexual harrasment, it's not limited to that, and these contracts may run afoul of that. https://silencednomore.org/the-silenced-no-more-act
No it’s either a violation of the NLRB rule against severance agreements conditioned on non-disparagement or it’s a violation of the common law rule requiring consideration for amendments to service contracts.
Wait that's a thing? Can you give more detail about this/what to look into to learn more?