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Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by cypressious »

nox101 wrote: post #383
mannyv wrote: post #4

CarPlay mostly works, and although it has issues it's definitely user-focused. CarPlay doesn't prevent car makers from tracking vehicle activity. In the end, consumers don't give a shit about the in-vehicle infotainment. It sucks, or it's AA/CarPlay. The first generation of iDrive showed that rich people people will buy cars in spite of the in-car stuff. In fact, most car infotainment sucks, yet people still buy cars…

When (if?) auto-driven cars become a thing I'd expect some people will want a giant monitor in their car if nothing else, so they can watch movies, play video games, tele-conference, etc.... Disney's "The Magic Highway" might be dystopian to some but the relaxing vehicle seems pretty cool to me https://youtu.be/Vo4-rYNGEwE?t=199

Impressive. Funny that one thing they got wrong is cars becoming smaller instead of bigger.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by fransje26 »

tssva wrote: post #337
yabones wrote: post #34

There's an interesting gap when discussing carplay/aa. Cars from the 90s up until about 2013 can be easily fitted with a $500 head unit upgrade, and support carplay quite well. With the right tools, it can be done in about two hours right in your driveway. Cars from 2018 and up pretty universally support carplay, and it's generally quite well integrated into the car's infotainment system. But, between 2013 and 2017,…

I have a 2014 Mazda CX-5 and a 2017 Subaru Outback. I have replaced the head units in both with 3rd party units which support CarPlay/AA. Both installations were easy and took about 2-3 hours. Both support changing the car settings through the 3rd party headhunt, integrate with the steering wheel controls, factory backup camera and the factory installed amplifiers (Bose and Harmon Kardon). The key to these integratio…

> Both support changing the car settings through the 3rd party headhunt, integrate with the steering wheel controls, factory backup camera and the factory installed amplifiers (Bose and Harmon Kardon)

Wow, I'm impressed. I wouldn't have thought manufacturers nowadays would be forthcoming enough to allow that.

Do you know if it is something specific to (some?) Japanese manufacturers, or is it a form of info-display standard that would also make it possible with other brands?

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by mfeldheim »

The only reason I use CarPlay is because I have an iPhone. The experience with Android auto is way ahead. Did you ever try to call a business that’s not in your contacts? Did you ever try to ask a simple question? Siri integration is horrible

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by thereisnospork »

nox101 wrote: post #383
mannyv wrote: post #4

CarPlay mostly works, and although it has issues it's definitely user-focused. CarPlay doesn't prevent car makers from tracking vehicle activity. In the end, consumers don't give a shit about the in-vehicle infotainment. It sucks, or it's AA/CarPlay. The first generation of iDrive showed that rich people people will buy cars in spite of the in-car stuff. In fact, most car infotainment sucks, yet people still buy cars…

When (if?) auto-driven cars become a thing I'd expect some people will want a giant monitor in their car if nothing else, so they can watch movies, play video games, tele-conference, etc.... Disney's "The Magic Highway" might be dystopian to some but the relaxing vehicle seems pretty cool to me https://youtu.be/Vo4-rYNGEwE?t=199

Just a monitor? I'm putting in a lazyboy and full on home theater setup in the back of my self driving car, well self driving van.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by t0mas88 »

katbyte wrote: post #336
astrange wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars can have better GPS reception, which is important when you're trying to drive in an urban area with a lot of buildings. Phones are bad at accuracy there. (CarPlay can provide car GPS to the phone though.)

My iPhone 12 has much better reception then my 22 Tacoma even when tossed on the passenger seat. Like waaaaaay better and more accurate

But the in-car unit has both GPS (with the antenna being on the roof) as well as wheel speed. Noticeable in longer tunnels with traffic jams that make the speed vary. Then it's clear Google maps takes a random guess at where you are while the in-car system knows how far along you are.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by mavhc »

astrange wrote: post #251
ryandrake wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't Japanese people have smartphones or tablets with navigation on them that they can use? I'd rather cars just have a place I can mount my own device, rather than include any kind of screen whatsoever with crappy un-updated, un-maintained software.

Cars can have better GPS reception, which is important when you're trying to drive in an urban area with a lot of buildings. Phones are bad at accuracy there. (CarPlay can provide car GPS to the phone though.)

Cars have wheel rotation and direction sensors so can do dead reckoning when the gps isn't being useful

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by mavhc »

chgs wrote: post #382
hatsix wrote: post #292

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While Tesla does have a $10/m plan, you still get basic Internet without paying for it... Tesla's free is better than any other company's paid subscription. That said, $10 is far too much for what it is, should be $5.

A Tesla costs $80k and lasts 10 years. Why are you saying $1200 for internet is too much and $600 isn’t? Why do they even bother charging - just bundle it in with the headline price. It’s a tiny portion of the revenue, nobody is going to think “oh that $87,345 Tesla is too much I’ll go for the $86,145 one”

Tesla costs $30k https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview $29450 with tax incentive

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by johnwalkr »

ryandrake wrote: post #86
numpad0 wrote: post #81

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I wonder how much of those frustrations has to do with Japanese market share of car industry; I think the touchscreen infotainment is not there because car manufacturers value it as integral and central part of car experience but simply because otherwise their product loses against one of Japanese brands. Japanese road network is a disorganized weighted node graph and absolutely not a grid, and a bulletproof navigati…

Don't Japanese people have smartphones or tablets with navigation on them that they can use? I'd rather cars just have a place I can mount my own device, rather than include any kind of screen whatsoever with crappy un-updated, un-maintained software.

The Japanese navigation units in cars have been really good for at least 15 years. The signs and lane markings usually match exactly what’s ahead of you in real-life, and there’s a radio system on the highway gives traffic and road closure information even if you’re not connected to the internet. It’s only recently that smartphone apps are as good.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

lokar wrote: post #283
babypuncher wrote: post #87

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GM's plan is to sell a subscription service that covers all the things you already pay for on your phone (maps, music streaming, etc). It's why they're killing CarPlay, because they know that even if their service is good, nobody will pay $20/mo for shit they already get for free on their phones. Basically, their goal in life is to be a worthless middleman who takes peoples money while providing no real value to soci…

You pay for maps on your phone?

Either you pay with your data (Google) or upfront for the phone (Apple).

I use Organic Maps on GrapheneOS and add businesses I want which aren't there (hence I had to look them up in Google Maps in Firefox Focus, which is painful enough that I don't want to have to repeat it).

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Post by eloisant »

numpad0 wrote: post #81
mannyv wrote: post #4

CarPlay mostly works, and although it has issues it's definitely user-focused. CarPlay doesn't prevent car makers from tracking vehicle activity. In the end, consumers don't give a shit about the in-vehicle infotainment. It sucks, or it's AA/CarPlay. The first generation of iDrive showed that rich people people will buy cars in spite of the in-car stuff. In fact, most car infotainment sucks, yet people still buy cars…

I wonder how much of those frustrations has to do with Japanese market share of car industry; I think the touchscreen infotainment is not there because car manufacturers value it as integral and central part of car experience but simply because otherwise their product loses against one of Japanese brands. Japanese road network is a disorganized weighted node graph and absolutely not a grid, and a bulletproof navigati…

Honestly I would prefer to have a 2DIN hole where I can put whatever infotainment I want, instead of being stuck with whatever the car maker included, and that I can change without changing my car.
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