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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Jensson »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #387
34679 wrote: post #277

Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…

Diversity isn't just a default here, it does it even when explicitly asked for a specific outcome. Diversity as a default wouldn't be a big deal, just ask for what you want, forced diversity however is a big a problem since it means you simply can't generate many kind of images.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by adolph »

mlrtime wrote: post #360
mattlondon wrote: post #281

You can guarantee that if it did generate all historical images as only white, there would be equally -loud uproar from the other end of the political spectrum too (apart from perhaps Nazis where I would assume people don't want their race/ethnicity represented). It seems that basically anything Google does is not good enough for anyone these days. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Well, Nazi's are universally bad to the degree if you try to point out one scientific achievement that the Nazi's developed you will are literally Hitler. So I don't think so, there would be no outrage if every Nazi was white in an AI generated image. Any other context 100% you are right, there would be outrage if there was no diversity.

People seem to celebrate the Apollo program fine.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by avereveard »

ermir wrote: post #381
oceanplexian wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is upset that an algorithm accidentally generated some images, they are upset that Google intentionally designed it to misrepresent reality in the name of Social Justice.

It's more accurate to say that it's designed to construct an ideal reality rather than represent the actually existing one. This is the root of many of the cultural issues that the West is currently facing. “The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. - Marx

but the issue here is that it's not a ideal reality, an ideal reality would be fully multicultural and in acceptance of all cultures, here we are presented with a reality where an ethnicity has been singled out and intentionally cancelled, suppressed and underrepresented.

you may be arguing for an ideal and fair multicultural representation, but it's not what this sistem is representing.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by mizzack »

manjalyc wrote: post #231
starbugs wrote: post #129

That may also be a way to generate attention/visibility for Gemini considering that they are not seen as the leader in AI anymore? Attention is all you need.

The idea that “attention is all you need” here is a handwavy explanation that doesn’t hold up against basic scrutiny. Why would Google do something this embarrassing? What could they possibly stand to gain? Google has plenty of attention as it is. They have far more to lose. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.

Probably just hamfisted calculation. Backlash/embarrassment due to forced diversity and excluding white people from generated imagery < backlash from lack of diversity and (non-white) cultural insensitivity.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by itscodingtime »

I don’t know much about generative AI but this can be easily fixed by Google right. I do not see the sky is falling narrative a lot of commenters here are selling. I’m biased but I would rather have these baffling fuckups at attempting to implement DEI than companies never even attempting at all. Remember when the Kinect couldn’t recognize black people ?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by D13Fd »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #387
34679 wrote: post #277

Here's the problem for Google: Gemini pukes out a perfect visual representation of actual systemic racism that pervades throughout modern corporate culture in the US. Daily interactions can be masked by platitudes and dog whistles. A poster of non-white celtic warriors cannot. Gemini refused to create an image of "a nice white man", saying it was "too spicy", but had no problem when asked for an image of "a nice blac…

There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…

> If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else.

> If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else.

What should the result be? Should it accurately reflect the training data (including our biases)? Should we force the AI to return results in proportion to a particular race/ethnicity/gender's actual representation in the workplace?

Or should it return results in proportion to their representation in the population? But the population of what country? The results for Japan or China are going to be a lot different than the results for the US or Mexico, for example. Every country is different.

I'm not saying the current situation is good or optimal. But it's not obvious what the right result should be.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by kcplate »

nzach wrote: post #245
anonzzzies wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How would a product like that be monetized one day? For video (Sora 2030 or so) and music I can see the 'one day'. Not really so much with the protected/neutered models but: - sell/rent to studios to generate new shows fast on demand (if using existing actors, auto royalties) - add to netflix for extra $$$ to continue a (cancelled) show 'forever' (if using existing actors, auto royalties) - 'generate one song like…

I don't think this is how things will pan out. What will happen is that we will have auctions for putting keywords into every prompt. You will type 'Tell me about the life of Nelson Mandela' but the final prompt will be something like 'Tell me about the life of Nelson Mandela. And highlight his positive relation with '.

[generated video of Nelson Mandela walking down a street waving and shaking hands in Johannesburg, in the background there is the ‘golden arches’’ and a somewhat out of place looking McDonald’s restaurant]

Voice over: “While Nelson Mandela is not known to have enjoyed a Big Mac at McDonalds, however McDonalds corporation was always a financial contributor to the ANC”

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