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AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by Qwertious »

pjmlp wrote: post #301
BizarroLand wrote: post #267

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Thanks to the Steam Deck, more and more games are being ported for Linux compatibility by default. Maybe some Microsoft owned games makers will never make the shift, but if the majority of others do then that's the death knell.

Nah, everyone is relying on Proton, there are hardly any native GNU/Linux games being ported, not even Android/NDK ones, where SDL, OpenGL, Vulkan, C, C++ are present, and would be extremely easy to port.

>Nah, everyone is relying on Proton, there are hardly any native GNU/Linux games being ported

This doesn't make the "play" button any different. People only care if the Proton version is buggy or noticeably less performant, and native ports have no trouble being both of those (see: Rust (game) before the devs dropped Linux support)

Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by Qwertious »

bachmeier wrote: post #157
Uehreka wrote: post #106

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> If something new comes along that provides better performance per dollar spent They won’t be able to do that, their hardware isn’t fast enough. Nvidia is beating them at hardware performance, AND ALSO has an exclusive SDK (CUDA) that is used by almost all deep learning projects. If AMD can get their cards to run CUDA via ROCm, then they can begin to compete with Nvidia on price (though not performance). Then, and o…

> They won’t be able to do that, their hardware isn’t fast enough. Well, then I guess CUDA is not really the problem, so being able to run CUDA on AMD hardware wouldn't solve anything. > try for an Embrace Extend Extinguish play against CUDA They wouldn't need to go that route. They just need a way to run existing CUDA code on AMD hardware. Once that happens, their customers have the option to save money by writing R…

>so being able to run CUDA on AMD hardware wouldn't solve anything.

It limits Nvidia's profit margin - if Nvidia cards run twice as fast but cost more than twice as much, then people will just buy two AMD cards. Meanwhile, it gives AMD some revenue with which to fund an improved CUDA stack.

>their customers have the option to save money by writing ROCm

CUDA saves money by having a fuckton of pre-written CUDA code and being supported as default basically everywhere.

Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by Qwertious »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #51
formerly_proven wrote: post #22

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> [2021] After some deliberation, Intel decided that there is no business case for running CUDA applications on Intel GPUs. oof

That's an oof indeed. Are AMD and Intel really that delusional, ie "once we get our own version of Cuda right everybody will just rewrite all their software to make use of it", or do they know something we mere mortals don't?

That sounds more like "if we implement CUDA then we'll just be Nvidia-but-worse, we won't gain enough marketshare to break even let alone profit."

Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #337
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #215

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> I'm really rooting for AMD to break the CUDA monopoly Personally I want Nvidia to break the x86-64 monopoly, with how amazing properly spec'd Nvidia cards are to work with I can only dream of a world where Nvidia is my CPU too.

How would this a good idea? I am not very familiar with GPU programming but the small amount I've tried was nothing but pain a few years ago on linux, it was so bad that Torvald publicly used the f word in a very public event. That aside, CUDA seem like a great way to lock people in even further like AWS does with absolutely everything

>CUDA seem like a great way to lock people in even further like AWS does with absolutely everything

Lock people in to something that didn’t exist in a way any user could use before it existed? I get people hate CUDAs dominance but no one else was pushing this before CUDA and Apple+AMD completely fumbled OpenCL.

Can’t hate on something good just because it’s successful and I can’t be angry the talent behind the success wanting to profit.

Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by pjmlp »

Qwertious wrote: post #391
pjmlp wrote: post #301

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Nah, everyone is relying on Proton, there are hardly any native GNU/Linux games being ported, not even Android/NDK ones, where SDL, OpenGL, Vulkan, C, C++ are present, and would be extremely easy to port.

>Nah, everyone is relying on Proton, there are hardly any native GNU/Linux games being ported This doesn't make the "play" button any different. People only care if the Proton version is buggy or noticeably less performant, and native ports have no trouble being both of those (see: Rust (game) before the devs dropped Linux support)

It worked really well for OS/2.

Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by anaisbetts »

squigz wrote: post #380
squigz wrote: post #379

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Can you provide some context about this?

Found some... Seems crazy to me; this community has never felt transphobic to me... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36226845

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Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by throw10920 »

squigz wrote: post #380
squigz wrote: post #379

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Can you provide some context about this?

Found some... Seems crazy to me; this community has never felt transphobic to me... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36226845

Thanks for finding that, I had a brief search but couldn't locate it.

Yeah, most communities have bad actors, but in HN's case, most of the bad comments are either user-flagged or killed directly by dang. The crazy part is that some of these people (e.g. sussmannbaka in the thread you linked) actually think that that means that those comments are somehow endorsed or something, which is completely insane - the comment literally says "dead" or "flagged", that means the community doesn't think it's acceptable.

The behavior in both the Mastodon post and that thread is why I don't want these people on HN - they're not interested in intellectual curiosity, they just want to have a flamewar over nothing.

Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by squigz »

anaisbetts wrote: post #397
squigz wrote: post #380

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Found some... Seems crazy to me; this community has never felt transphobic to me... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36226845

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Do you have any recent examples? This has never been my experience, and in the post I linked, other users fail to find such examples too. It also seems strange to me to complain about comments/posts that are moderated?

Re: AMD funded a drop-in CUDA implementation built on ROCm: It's now open-source

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Post by anaisbetts »

squigz wrote: post #399
anaisbetts wrote: post #397

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Do you have any recent examples? This has never been my experience, and in the post I linked, other users fail to find such examples too. It also seems strange to me to complain about comments/posts that are moderated?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39336904 is an example - an article about astronomy has a single mention of gendered language which kicks off an entire mess
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