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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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I went out of my way to charge the vehicle before returning, returned it with 98% it but was still charged extra. Complaints to their call centre got me nowhere and I just resolved not use Hertz ever again. The only winner here is Polestar. That will be the next car I'll buy.

It's very odd that you start with a policy complaint against Hertz that is factually false^1 (maybe the agent didn't know?) then the conclusion is to buy a Polestar. 1. We ask you to return the EV with at least the same level of charge or 75% (whichever is lower). via https://images.hertz.com/pdfs/ENGB_EV_RENTAL_TERMS.pdf

That's right! Front-end staff trump any company policies. Polestar is amazing though. I am telling you this as a Kia EV6 owner.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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But I was told EV's would be much more reliable and cheaper to repair?

Personal ownership, typically yes. Rental cars are a different beast, with the amount of miles and abuse they receive. When I had a gas car on Turo, I had to deal with all kinds of weirdness that never happened when I drove the same car.

Care to share your 3 top wildest?

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Is there a reason why body damage on an EV would cost more to repair?

Yes, because the Model 3 incorporates quite a bit of aluminum in the body. This is good for weight savings, but more difficult to work with. The root cause is that batteries are too heavy so other components must be made lighter.

Do you know why it's harder to work with? My untrained brain would have assumed it was easier, what with it being more malleable.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Last time I rented a car from Hertz back in November I was surprised how many EVs they had on the lot. I would've thought EV rentals would be kind of niche, but they had several available. As an aside, I was also surprised that they had a special line/desk that was only for Uber/Lyft drivers and there were people in that line. I guess I would've thought that by the time you paid for the rental costs you wouldn't make…

It's possible that them being on the lot and not out with customers might also tell a story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias#/media/File:...

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Rental agencies don't actually "rent specific cars" - they sell rentals at specific price points and fill those obligations with whatever they have laying around at the time. Which is why it's almost best to just rent the lowest, cheapest thing, because they'll give you whatever they have. This stops working when you need a particular aspect of whatever it is, especially if it's an aspect nobody really "cares" about…

They never seem to have enough small cars in Europe. I'm fed up of being 'upgraded' to a crossover/SUV. I think it's worse with eg Enterprise because their fleet tends to reflect what people own, because they do so much crash/repairs business. But it happens with most of them

Which country? Had no issues getting small cars in France. Got a Fiat500 last time in France on Hertz. I suspect French rental cos like to "upgrade" the 1-way rentals to get rid of them due to unpopularity. Only time I got upgraded to an SUV (2-lane wide Jeep Compass) in France was on a 1-way.

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> Modern car parts are full of computers and the aftermarket will never support them because they can't ship copyrighted code. Once a car gets older, there's usually no shortage of the electrical components on the secondary market as they're getting scrapped. And they're easy to ship. Or someone figures out "Capacitor 96 goes bad on Part 420" and solders a new one in. We'll run into problems once they "marry" all the…

>Once a car gets older, there's usually no shortage of the electrical components on the secondary market as they're getting scrapped Usually the lifespan limiting component is the same on all vehicles of a type so there's a shortage of exactly the part you need which makes it economically nonviable. >figures out "Capacitor 96 goes bad on Part 420" and solders a new one in. Car PCB's are often conformally coated or re…

> Usually the lifespan limiting component is the same on all vehicles of a type so there's a shortage of exactly the part you need which makes it economically nonviable.

Varies across a country/continent. I'm in the salt belt so it's the body/suspension that gives first while it's whatever heat-deaths first in the US south.

And we have bad drivers in north america which helps the market for non-front/rear body components.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Last time I rented a car from Hertz back in November I was surprised how many EVs they had on the lot. I would've thought EV rentals would be kind of niche, but they had several available. As an aside, I was also surprised that they had a special line/desk that was only for Uber/Lyft drivers and there were people in that line. I guess I would've thought that by the time you paid for the rental costs you wouldn't make…

It's possible that them being on the lot and not out with customers might also tell a story.

True. Though one of the Uber drivers was there specifically for an AWD Tesla. I'd guess that's not cheap to rent and would eat into profits. Also the people ahead of us in line rented a Bolt.

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I've been seeing a lot of headlines the last month about demand for EVs falling. Of course, it could just be a PR campaign by Big Fossil, I'm not in a position to judge that. I had another idea about it and I'm wondering what other people think: by buying Twitter/X, Musk has waded deeply into the culture war, and we see on HN plenty of people who just can't stand to see his name. It seems a sizable community, could t…

Other possible reasons - We're in a recession (at least if you aren't upper middle class or above) - Dealers are still acting like there's a supply shortage, so prices are still up but lots are full - Everyone (pretty much) but tesla has commited to migrating to NACS, so if you buy a car now you'll need an adapter, and depending on where you are tesla's chargers are have half the speed if you're using the adapter (li…

We’re not in a recession. GDP is growing and for the last several quarters, wage growth has outpaced inflation.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Yes, because the Model 3 incorporates quite a bit of aluminum in the body. This is good for weight savings, but more difficult to work with. The root cause is that batteries are too heavy so other components must be made lighter.

Do you know why it's harder to work with? My untrained brain would have assumed it was easier, what with it being more malleable.

Aluminum is more brittle and far more difficult to weld than steel.
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