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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by commandlinefan »

betaby wrote: post #124
peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

> Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Or just a post from a non-native speaker.

I can always tell the difference between a non-native English speaking writer and somebody who's just stupid - the sort of grammatical mistakes stupid people make are very, very different than the ones that people make when speaking a second language.

Of course, sometimes the non-native English was so bad it wasn't worth wading through it, so that's still sort of a good signal.

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Post by wslh »

SciFi: I think the Internet will be a thing of the past, for humans. Humans will use chatbots and/or a few UIs while infinite information is created and consumed on Internet by AI.

Probably, at the end, looking at the vast information created, AI will enter in a loop when it is always creating the same information or the same obvious patterns over, and over again. If that happen it will be the prove that AI is not creative as humans.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by ska »

Culonavirus wrote: post #301
luma wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agreed, SEO spammers wrecked the public web years ago and Google did everything they could to enable it for more ad revenue.

SEO spammers were a thing even before Google fucked their search results. You know when Google search results were still amazing, like decade ago? SEO spammers were thriving. I know that for a fact because I worked for one back then. 90% of why Google search sucks now is due to Google being too greedy, only the rest is caused by SEO spammers.

No, SEO made things noticeably worse from the very beginning. This is almost tautological, when you think about it.

Agree googles machinations have not helped, but disagree with your 90/10 split.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by MichaelZuo »

gs17 wrote: post #380
MichaelZuo wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

Kerbal Space Program is another.

True, KSP definitely qualifies as breaking the mould.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by jahsome »

Every time I read something that's aggressively branded as anti-AI, I am compelled to read the final paragraph first just to make sure I'm not about to get baited and switched by someone who believes they're far more clever than they have any right to think.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by l33t7332273 »

vladsolokha wrote: post #331
peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

> Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Timee to stert misspelling and using poorr grammar again. This way know we LLM didn't write it. Unlearn we what learned!

If you prompt LLMs to use poor spelling and grammar, they will.

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #382
ravenstine wrote: post #118

Although I agree with the title, I also don't think the internet is that significantly different from before GPTs 4, 3, or 2. Articles written by interns or Indian virtual assistants about generic topics are pretty much as bad as most AI generated material and isn't that distinguishable from it. It doesn't help that search engines today sort by prestige over whether your query matches text in a webpage. People aren't…

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A huge amount of SEO spam comes out of India. If you look at places like BlackHatWorld, the biggest "SEO firms" are from India. It's the reality unfortunately.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by throwup238 »

flatline wrote: post #367
salad-tycoon wrote: post #362

I was recently looking up passion fruit seeds to see if they were edible. One of the first results had various wrong warnings of adverse health effects. But the best part was it said to be careful to avoid the seeds when you have a fever because it could cause explosions in your mouth. It’s gotta be AI right? Who else could be as dumb as dogshit. See section “how to pick a healthy and…” https://cookingtom.com/are-pas…

That sounds like a bad human translation from Chinese. AI mistakes are a different category.

> Lastly, be careful that you don’t eat the seeds if you have had a fever, because the heat from the fever could cause the seeds to explode in your mouth.

What exactly could have been the true translation then?

The blog author is supposedly "Danny Max".

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by seabass-labrax »

donmcronald wrote: post #260
jillesvangurp wrote: post #147

The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. You can't take anything at face value. It might be generated, forged, et. When anyone can publish anything and when anyone is outnumbered by AIs publishing even more things, the only way to filter that is by relying on reputation and authenticity so you can know who published what and what else they are saying. Web of trust has of course been tr…

> The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. This is the real play IMO. With the push for identity systems that support attestation [1], it doesn't matter if AI is successful at producing high quality results or if it only ever produces massive amounts of pure garbage. In the latter case, it's a huge win for platform owners like Apple, Google, or Microsoft (via TPM) because they're the o…

I'm glad to see someone else on the Web who's concerned about this. Remote attestation is a triumph of 21st-century cryptography with all kinds of security benefits, but never before in my lifetime have I seen a technology be misappropriated so quickly for dubious purposes.

My country (the UK) is one of the worst right now, with the current government on a crusade to make the internet 'safer' by adding checkpoints[1] at various stage to tie your internet usage to your real-world identity. Unlike some other technically advanced countries, though, the UK doesn't have the constitutional robustness to ensure civil liberties under such a regime, nor does the population have what I like to think of as the 'continental temperament' to complain about it.

I'd like to make a shout-out to a project in which I participate: the Verifiable Credentials Working Group[2] at the World Wide Web Consortium is the steward of a standard for 'Self-Sovereign Identity' (SSI). This won't be able to fix all the issues with authenticity online, but it will at least provide a way of vouching for others without disclosing personal information. It's a bit like the GPG/PGP 'Web of Trust' idea, but with more sophisticated cryptography such as Zero-Knowledge Proofs.

[1]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/uk-online-safety-bill-...

[2]: https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/WG/

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by MichaelZuo »

madamelic wrote: post #308
MichaelZuo wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

> Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). You could say the same about books. Lowering the barriers of entry does mean more content will be generated and that content won't the same bar as having a middleman who was the arbiter of who gets published but at the same time, you'…

It's now over eighteen years later after the first few games made with Unity came out and at best, being generous, there's maybe two dozen.

Which suggests even after several iterations the vast vast majority of folks are not putting out anything noteworthy.

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