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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by 93po »

Avshalom wrote: post #155
arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

This year Tesla is ranked middle of the pack by CR but '21 and '22 it was bottom 5 for reliability, not to mention that whole Rueters article from last week. Like this isn't the data point.

CR is biased garbage

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Post by ricardobeat »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #90
Dinux wrote: post #32

Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV. Anything you use and use a lot needs m…

But ... why ? Why did you have 4 Teslas in ~10 years ? I'm really curious, why are you buying an electric car in the first place ? Cause it's sure as hell not for the sake of saving the planet.

> why are you buying an electric car in the first place

When you compare the current Model 3 feature-wise to most other brands, it's a no brainer. You need to fork out a lot more than 50k to get the assist and safety features, leather seats, seat heating, power seats, cameras, sound system, heated steering wheel, matrix headlights, backseat control screen, 4wd, performance and so on. Not having to deal with sales people and regular maintenance are bonuses.

And if you're in Europe, you charge it a home or on street parking with no hassle of going to a charging/gas station.

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Post by edude03 »

badpun wrote: post #359
light_hue_1 wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

> 3. Never in my life have I just stared at the speedometer. Why are you staring at it so much? Is something wrong? Without checking speedometer often, how do you know if you're not going above the speed limit?

Go the same speed as traffic? If that turns out to be above the speed limit "they can't (and realistically won't) stop us all"

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by flutas »

hef19898 wrote: post #360
flutas wrote: post #292

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From the manual: > To see the miles driven since your last tire rotation or replacement, touch Controls > Service and look under Last Tire Service. After the tires on Model 3 are rotated, replaced, or swapped, update your vehicle's tire configuration by touching Reset, or by touching Wheel & Tire > Tires from the same screen. This allows your vehicle to reset the learned tire settings and improve your driving experie…

Translation: Teslas, not sure which model you looked up, have such bad suspension and stearing that tires, ubder regular use, worn down inconsistently. Which shouldn't be an issue in modern cars running proper tires and tire pressure.

> Translation: Teslas, not sure which model you looked up, have such bad suspension and stearing that tires, ubder regular use, worn down inconsistently. Which shouldn't be an issue in modern cars running proper tires and tire pressure.

Ah yes, "Big Tesla" must have gotten to...checks notes...Michelin tires[0], Ford[1], Toyota[2] and more...

Your ignorance to cars and blind hatred to Tesla is showing BTW.

[0]: https://www.michelinman.com/auto/auto-tips-and-advice/tire-m...

[1]: https://www.suttonford.com/service/service-and-parts-tips/wh...

[2]: https://www.performancetoyotapa.com/service/service-tips/how...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cedilla »

dmix wrote: post #373
torginus wrote: post #369

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Counterpoint: The new crop of BYD EVs seem to be really well built - up with European/Asian brands in their market segment. They still lag somewhat in other areas (drivetrain efficiency, software, ADAS etc.), but to say that a new company can't build cars well is simply just not true.

HN is suddenly anti-innovation You must be a 100yr old conglomerate, those companies never do shady things or have failures in quality control.

A weird accusation. It's not the 100 year old multinationals at the bottom of the reliability indexes.

Tesla is also no longer innovating, they are far behind in almost every way. They lost their lead in battery tech, marketing and assistance features.

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Post by akie »

ryukoposting wrote: post #236
bayindirh wrote: post #110

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I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

I once read an opinion that stated that Tesla will eventually lose because they don't continually introduce new or updated models (say, every year) like other car brands do, and that person thought that they will lose customer favor because of it because their cars will be "the old thing" with no "new thing" available. In other words: Cars are fashion too, and Tesla only has one entry in each category. It's a good entry, but it's only one entry nevertheless.

I thought that was an interesting observation, and I've been reminded of it ever since. Maybe that person was right.

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Post by Closi »

gonzo41 wrote: post #374
mattmaroon wrote: post #286

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I guess because most of their competitors are 100 yrs old? Making cars is really, really hard. Tesla’s first mass produced car was only ten years ago, and their top two models 6 and 3 years ago. The average age of their entire fleet is in the low single digits. In the car world that’s just getting started.

Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge.

Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't easily fix it without taking the production line down for x weeks because you need to change the robot arm and conveyor system?

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Post by ak_111 »

bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Some of the Chinese companies that are now dominating some corners of the electric car market barely existed 5 years ago and they score far better than many expected on reliability scores.

I guess scale allows you to compensate for years of experience.

Would be interesting to see how they will test your theory in the next few years. My hypothesis is a few chinese brands will be scoring in the top 10% of reliability in the next 5 years.

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Post by verisimi »

thelastgallon wrote: post #375
verisimi wrote: post #312

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yes - wouldn't it be lovely to see governments uninvolved in these sorts of market decisions? If the government discounts cars by 25% - that's one thing. But let's not forget too that the greater part of the cost of running a car (the fuel) is mainly made up by tax on the fuel - it itself is an artificial price. Nothing about transport is reflective of the underlying reality. Its simply a governmental chess board, an…

> yes - wouldn't it be lovely to see governments uninvolved in these sorts of market decisions? I agree. It should start with stopping all fossil fuel subsidies, 7 trillions/year and growing. And ethanol subsides, subsidizing ethanol production on 40m acres, just in US. And have fossil fuel companies pay for their own military to protect their 6 million assets and 16 million transportation flows[2]. It should be dete…

Is there a story to your username? Do you think we're down to the last few gallons of oil or something..?

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Post by nradov »

Closi wrote: post #397
gonzo41 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

Other manufacturers like Toyota would actually shut the production line down to fix such problems instead of shipping defective products.
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