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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by vitorgrs »

sourcegrift wrote: post #329
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

I was at MS in 2008 September and internally they had a very beautiful and well functioning Office web already (named differently, forgot the name but it wasn't sharepoint if I recall correctly, I think it had to do something with expense reports?) that would put Google Docs to shame today. They just didn't want to cannibalize their own product.

Microsoft demoed Office Web Apps in 2008 L.A PDC it seems: https://www.wired.com/2008/10/pdc-2008-look-out-google-docs-...

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by rhuru »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

There is little to no inertia inside google to build and invent stuff. But there is a massive bloat to ship stuff.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by modeless »

b112 wrote: post #349
modeless wrote: post #94

That's not the only thing wrong. Gemini makes a false statement in the video, serving as a great demonstration of how these models still outright lie so frequently, so casually, and so convincingly that you won't notice, even if you have a whole team of researchers and video editors reviewing the output. It's the single biggest problem with LLMs and Gemini isn't solving it. You simply can't rely on them when correctn…

Devil's advocate. It is made of a material less dense than water. Air. It certainly isn't how I would phrase it, and I wouldn't count air as what something is made of, but... Soda pop is chocked full of air, it's part of it! And I'd say carbon dioxide is a part of the recipe, of pop. So it's a confusing world for a young LLM. (I realise it may have referenced rubber prior, but it may have meant air... again, Devil's…

When you make carbonated soda you put carbon dioxide in deliberately and use a sealed container to hold it in. When you make a rubber duck you don't put air in it deliberately and it is not sealed. Carbonated soda ceases to be carbonated when you remove the air. A rubber duck in a vacuum is still a rubber duck and it even still floats.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by anigbrowl »

3pt14159 wrote: post #79
anigbrowl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don't really pay attention to disclaimers. Google made a choice knowing people would remember the hype, not the disclaimer.

I remember watching it and I was pretty impressed, but as I was walking around thinking to myself I came to the conclusion that there was something fishy about the demo. I didn't know exactly what they fudged, but it was far too polished to explain how well their current AI demos preform. I'm not saying there have been no improvements in AI. There is and this includes Google. But the reason why ChatGPT has really tak…

Indeed, and this is how Google used to be as a company. I remember when Google Maps & Earth launched, and how they felt like world-changing technology. I'm sure they're doing lots of innovative science and development still, but it's and advertising/services company now, and one that increasingly talks down to its users. Disappointing considering their early sense of mission.

Thinking back to the firm's early days, it strikes me that some HN users and perhaps even some Googlers have no memory of a time before Google Maps and simply can't imagine how disruptive and innovative things like that were at the time. Being able to browse satellite imagery for the whole world was something previously confined to the upper echelons of the military-industrial complex.

That's one reason I wish the firm (along with several other tech giants) were broken up; it's full of talented innovative people, but the advertising economics at the core of their business model warp everything else.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by Tistron »

seaucre wrote: post #372
abustamam wrote: post #331

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Does anyone use paid GSuite for anything other than docs/drive/Gmail ? In all companies I've worked at, we've used GSuite exclusively for those, and used slack/discord for chat, and zoom/discord for video/meetings. I know that MS Teams is a more full-featured product suite, but even at companies that used it, we still used Zoom for meetings.

My company uses Meet. It works great! I like it more than Zoom.

I like meet too, but the inability to send messages to breakout rooms is quite annoying.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by robertlagrant »

nieve wrote: post #375
robertlagrant wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google really hasn't launched a decent in-house product since Gmail What about Chrome? And Chromebooks?

Sorry if this was a joke and I didn't spot it. Chrome was based on WebKit which was itself based on KHTML if memory serves. Chromebooks are based on a version of that outside engine running on top of Linux which they also didn't create.

It's not a joke. Just because they didn't write everything from scratch (Chromebooks also are made with hard disks that Google didn't create from directly mining raw materials and performing all intermediate manufacturing stages) doesn't mean they haven't released successful products that they didn't just buy in.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by lumost »

renegade-otter wrote: post #358
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

Google doesn't know how to do anything else. A product requires commitment, it requires grind. That 10% is the most critical one, and Google persistently refuses to push products across the finish line, just giving up on them and adding to the infamous Google Product Graveyard. Honestly, what is the point? They could just maintain the core search/ads and not pay billions of dollars for tens of thousands of expensive…

If they tried to focus on ads, then they wouldn’t have the talent to support the business. They probably don’t need 17 chat apps - but they can’t start saying no without having other problems.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by flakiness »

vitorgrs wrote: post #391
sourcegrift wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was at MS in 2008 September and internally they had a very beautiful and well functioning Office web already (named differently, forgot the name but it wasn't sharepoint if I recall correctly, I think it had to do something with expense reports?) that would put Google Docs to shame today. They just didn't want to cannibalize their own product.

Microsoft demoed Office Web Apps in 2008 L.A PDC it seems: https://www.wired.com/2008/10/pdc-2008-look-out-google-docs-...

Don't forget they also invented XHR (aka fetch) in 2001. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest
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