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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by concordDance »

bagels wrote: post #304
concordDance wrote: post #157

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I continue to be puzzled by people's strong opinions on Elon. He's says dumb things on social media but there seem to be unusually strong sacred contagion effects from that. Buying petrol from Shell or cereal from Nestle? No problem. Buying a Model 3 from Tesla? No way! Honestly, I'd be surprised if there weren't a ton of people with the same views on immigration or trans issues or covid or whatever, each associated…

They didn't buy twitter to amplify their objectionable takes on things.

I'd bet a lot of money thats not why he bought twitter.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by concordDance »

ender341341 wrote: post #200
concordDance wrote: post #157

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I continue to be puzzled by people's strong opinions on Elon. He's says dumb things on social media but there seem to be unusually strong sacred contagion effects from that. Buying petrol from Shell or cereal from Nestle? No problem. Buying a Model 3 from Tesla? No way! Honestly, I'd be surprised if there weren't a ton of people with the same views on immigration or trans issues or covid or whatever, each associated…

If you went out on the street and asked random people to name CEOs of nestle or shell I'd guess you'd have a super majority who don't know. There's a reason most CEOs stay quiet, when you become the face of a company your actions reflect on the companies you represent, and when you spend billions of dollars to make sure that your antics are broadcast as far and wide as possible it's not surprising that your antics af…

> when you spend billions of dollars to make sure that your antics are broadcast as far and wide as possible

Why on earth do you think that is why he bought Twitter?

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by seivan »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #170
adamrezich wrote: post #99

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how common do you think this perspective is? outside of places like this one, of course. as far as I can tell, the average person's perspective of the guy likely hasn't changed much in the past few years at all.

The risk is that he will go much farther than he already has. If he comes out as a full-fledged neo-Nazi, which I wouldn't bet against given how erratically he has behaved lately, the value of Teslas on the used market will plummet.

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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by piva00 »

habitue wrote: post #308
fermentation wrote: post #12

Sure looks dangerous for pedestrians

Personally, I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing, where big trucks are conservative coded and smaller cars are liberal-coded. In the grand scheme of things the difference in MPG of an SUV vs. a sedan is minimal when it comes to climate change, and the difference in pedestrian danger fr…

> Personally, I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing, where big trucks are conservative coded and smaller cars are liberal-coded.

It's not a vibes thing, SUVs are more dangerous to everyone on the road, doesn't matter if it's electric or petrol, they are heavier, causing more road wear, they are taller, killing pedestrians more easily; being heavier also means they carry much more energy at the same speed than a smaller car.

> and the difference in pedestrian danger from large car vs. small car is minimal.

Well, and this is a "vibes thing", all the data shows the opposite, you'll need some supporting data to make this statement.

SUVs are only better for their owners, consuming more space, more road, and more lives than other types of smaller cars...

Not everything is "wokeness" and "muh liberals", there's objectivity in the basics of motion physics, just run the numbers for weight and velocity. Check any study on pedestrian safety regarding cars with much higher ground clearing, it's pretty obvious what the data says.

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Post by jwestbury »

I_Am_Nous wrote: post #78
1970-01-01 wrote: post #59

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Safe public roads haven't existed since 1900.

Before cars it was highway robbers. Being in between places is always a higher risk location and roads are the guaranteed routes someone will go down. Cars make it safer for the people in them, the same way a stagecoach protected people up to a point.

> Before cars it was highway robbers.

This is a bad comparison. One occurs when travelling in unpopulated areas. But most pedestrian fatalities occur in populated areas which should be safe for pedestrians (and historically were).

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by bagels »

concordDance wrote: post #391
bagels wrote: post #304

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They didn't buy twitter to amplify their objectionable takes on things.

I'd bet a lot of money thats not why he bought twitter.

Why do you think he did?

He's indicated he thinks that Twitter's liberal censorship was an existential threat to man. I think boosting his own messaging has to have been one of the motivations (though maybe not the most pressing one).

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Post by panick21_ »

talldatethrow wrote: post #82
notatoad wrote: post #70

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yeah! the approximately 8000 pedestrians killed by cars each year in the US should just be better at dodging them, like this guy is.

They really should. It's a good way not to die. Just like many of the motorcyclists that die should have worn helmets, not gone above the speed limit, and not drank alcohol. Those 3 things account for something like 60% of motorcycle deaths. Edit: The point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone…

And if a woman gets raped and then beaten to death its her fault because she was wearing sexy cloths.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by majewsky »

jtriangle wrote: post #110
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #74

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Yet you still drive it

Well yeah, I still owe like 15k on it...

I never owned a car, or a driver's license for that matter, so this is an honest question: Did you not realize this flaw during the test drive?

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by drexlspivey »

archagon wrote: post #382
drexlspivey wrote: post #303

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What other car companies are you boycotting due to their CEOs ?

What other companies have CEOs that are so aggressively belligerent?

I would guess most of them, they just dont post on twitter for everyone to see
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