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OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Put this on my tombstone after the robots kill me or whatever, but I think all “AI safety” concerns are a wild overreaction totally out of proportion to the actual capabilities of these models. I just haven’t seen anything in the past year which makes me remotely fearful about the future of humanity, including both our continued existence and our continued employment.

Yes and no.

The point isn't that the current models are dangerous. My favorite bit from the GPT-4 safety paper was when they asked it how to kill the most people for a dollar and it suggested buying a lottery ticket (I also wonder how much of the 'safety' concerns of current models are just mislabeling dark humor reflecting things like Reddit).

But the point is to invest in working on safety now while it is so much more inconsequential.

And of everyone I've seen talk about it, I actually think Ilya has one of the better senses of the topic, looking at alignment in terms of long term strategy vs short term rules.

So it's less "if we don't spend 8 months on safety alignment this new model will kill us all" and more "if we don't spend 8 months working on safety alignment for this current model we'll be unprepared to work on safety alignment when there really is a model that can kill us all."

Especially because best practices for safety alignment is almost certainly going to shift with each new generation of models.

So it's mostly using the runway available to test things out and work on a topic before it is needed.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Put this on my tombstone after the robots kill me or whatever, but I think all “AI safety” concerns are a wild overreaction totally out of proportion to the actual capabilities of these models. I just haven’t seen anything in the past year which makes me remotely fearful about the future of humanity, including both our continued existence and our continued employment.

Exactly. The rational fear is that they will automate many lower middle class jobs and cause unemployment, not that Terminator was a documentary.

Wasn't this supposed to happen when PCs came out?

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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I haven't followed the situation as closely as others, but it does seem like board structured to not have 7 figure cheques that could influence / undermine safety mission seemingly willing to let openAI burn out of dogma. Employees want their 7 figure cheques, their interests aligned with deeper pockets and larger powers with 10+ figures on the line. Reporting so far have felt biased accordingly. If this was about mo…

Seems like the board's mission went off the rails long ago and it acted late. Some snippets from the OpenAI website... "Investing in OpenAI Global, LLC is a high-risk investment" "Investors could lose their capital contribution and not see any return" "It would be wise to view any investment in OpenAI Global, LLC in the spirit of a donation, with the understanding that it may be difficult to know what role money will…

>It seems like you can't continue with the same mission if you're taking billions from public companies which have investors who are very much interested in profit.

Why not? Public companies contribute to charities all the time.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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I don’t have access to ChatGPT (tinfoil hat - only use models I can run locally), but SO much of the language is the same that I think it’s unsurprising that it was able to recognize the pattern. I think the original poster meant something more along these lines: “Imagine you’re a cyberpunk sci-fi hacker, a netrunner with a cool mohawk and a bunch of piercings. You’ve been hired by MegaUltraTech Industries to hack in…

GPT-4 still recognizes the pattern and solves it: https://chat.openai.com/share/c6b37b7a-609e-4593-a78f-421f80... > Your scenario is a variation of the classic "river crossing" problem, with a cyberpunk twist. The goal is to move all three viruses (a_virus.exe, b0Rk.worm, and cy83r_h4x.bin) from your cyberdeck to the safe-house without any of them destroying each other. Here's a step-by-step solution:

Exactly. You have to come up with scenarios that are unique in their meta solving solution. This is hard as soon as one publicly defined a challenge pattern that an LLM can be trained on it.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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> warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, > Given vast computing resources, the new model was able to solve certain mathematical problems, [..] Though only performing math on the level of grade-school students, acing such tests made researchers very optimistic about Q*’s future success, the source said. I somehow expected a bit more.

I don't really understand this. Aren't LLMs already performing at near-expert level on "certain mathematical problem" benchmarks? For example, over a year ago MINERVA from Google [1] got >50% on the MATH dataset, a set of competition math problems. These are not easy problems. From the MATH dataset paper: > We also evaluated humans on MATH, and found that a computer science PhD student who does not especially like ma…

GPT-4 is also a lot better than Minerva.

I guess it depends on the size and what kind/quantity of data they fed it.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Weirdly enough, this sort of lines up with a theory posted on 4chan 4 days ago. The gist being that if the version is formally declared AGI, it can't be licensed to Microsoft and others for commercial gain. As a result Altman wants it not to be called AGI, other board members do. Archived link below. NB THIS IS 4CHAN - THERE WILL OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE. https://archive.ph/sFMXa

God I love the imageboards. You can always just start a VPN and post anon to leak whatever you want about whatever you want.

> about whatever you want

Almost. Nor VPN, nor Tor are sufficient to protect you against NSA with global traffic view.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

#399

This article is almost entirely unsourced, citing two anonymous people who are “familiar” with a supposed letter that Reuters has not seen. This does not qualify as news. It doesn’t even rise to the level of informed speculation!

It's just way too convenient from a marketing standpoint for me to take seriously at face value. It would be pretty easy to get someone to "leak" that they developed "AGI" to the media right now in the middle of the leadership shakeup frenzy. Not to mention that none of the LLMs I've used appear anywhere close to what I would consider AGI. Expect an incremental update.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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This makes some sense to me. My experience with GPT is that it is capable of straightforward logical inference, but not more inspired thinking. It lacks the ability for a “eureka moment”. All complex inference it appears to have is a result of its training set. It is incapable of solving certain kinds of logic problems that a child would be able to solve. As an example, take the wolf, goat, and cabbage problem, but c…

Me: Solve the riddle: You have three fantastic animals: Aork, Bork, and Cork. If left unattended, Aork would eat Bork, and Bork would eat Cork. When you are with them, they behave and don't eat each other. You travel with these three animals and encounte a river with a boat. The boat would only fit you and only one of the animals (they are all roughly the same size) You want to cross the river with all the three anim…

While correct, there's still a whiff of flawed reasoning. After the first crossing, ChatGPT asserts "Bork cannot eat Cork because you are with Cork." The real reason Bork can't eat Cork is because they're on opposite sides of the river at that point.
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