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Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Based on the article and the loyalty shown by openai employees, he appears to be the "difficult to manage" type, rather than the "difficult to work for" type. That's not necessarily a bad thing in employees. I was once told that it is easier to round off the corners of a cube than to develop corners on a sphere.

IME one almost always implies the other.

Not my experience at all. Someone who pushes back on their boss to get the team they manage what they need is exactly that type of person.

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CEOs are professional communicators who have reached the highest level of the craft, they use their communications to achieve an end, expressing their inner selves is not the point. You might know a great kind person who is a car salesman, when they are at work a good one comes off as genuine and friendly, the things they're saying include many truths, but their words and actions are primarily designed to sell cars.…

> CEOs are professional communicators who have reached the highest level of the craft Elon Musk has entered the chat...

Founder CEOs are a different breed. There's a plenty of successful founder CEOs who don't fit the typical hired CEO pattern. Zuckerberg, Sweeney, etc.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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I've definitely never heard of it, and I was pretty shocked when I read it given how much positive stuff pg has written about sama, and the article itself says the firing "has not been previously reported". Reading some recent pg tweets through this lens, though, I think it makes sense. E.g. there is this tweet: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1726198939517378988 . Both of the following can be true (and more to the…

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How'd you miss her as one of the New York high society characters that Trump was constantly having petty complaints about?

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Step 1: Dazzle an influential person Step 2: Persuade them to hitch their reputation to you Step 3: Do whatever you want with minimal repercussions Follow these 3 steps and influential people will actively fight on your behalf, against their own best interests, to avoid embarrassing themselves and diminishing their reputations. Use each influential person as a stepping stone to an even more influential person and rep…

Tips on step 2?

A really slick slide deck on how your unicorn will make this person the envy of his peers.

Also amazing amounts of luck, or family connections.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Why was Sam fired from Y Combinator? Why was he fired from OpenAI? Not saying he's good or trustworthy, but it's unfair to speak badly about him without evidence or even examples of wrongdoing.

Isn't being fired implicit evidence of wrongdoing? Especially when it's not an isolated incident.

It might just mean your skills weren't appropriate for the role you were hired for. It doesn't mean you did anything wrong.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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I subscribe to the HN RSS feed, which shows flagged items since they're published on the feed before they're flagged. The craziest thing that stands out to me is how so many negative stories on Sam Altman end up being flagged, even though they are just as legit as the positive ones. I'm almost 100% certain that HN is highly manipulated for this story. For no other topic have I seen so many flagged stories, and all of…

HN is strongly anti-controversy. So when you have a large enough minority of users who rally around flagging certain topics, they easily get taken down even if there’s otherwise interest in the discussion. I don’t think it requires owner manipulation. You can see it in how things like any coverage of Palestinian perspective getting flagged immediately while coverage of far-right ancap politics lingers despite both be…

Strongly anti-controversy?! This whole thing has been like Christmas come early for me. There's a strong contingent of people here who have no illusions about Altman's ambitions.

That being said, Hacker News is primarily for news, and it's tech-oriented. I would not expect Palestinian broadsides (whether for or against) to fare well.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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It came as a surprise for me to learn that PG fired Sam. It's the first time that I read this actually, and if that's true, I find it kind of mysterious that it remained a secret for so long. Or maybe I missed the news somehow but I could not find any other mention of that event on Google.

We have a tendency to remember the good and not the bad, and we want to see our friends do well. Someone else also pointed out here in the comments that no one wants to publicly state they made a bad call if they can avoid it because it will likely damage them personally. We give others lots of chances, or we encourage and cheer them when others are taking chances on them in the hopes that they'll do better this time even when we would no longer risk our own skin.

I imagine most of us think, "S/he was so close to success. Maybe s/he'll have learned! What could be the harm in talking them up a bit? Besides, no one wants to ruin someone else's life,"

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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From Paul Graham's Twitter, three days ago: "No one in the world is better than Sam at dealing with this kind of situation." Jessica Livingston retweet: "The reason I was a founding donor to OpenAI in 2015 was not because I was interested in AI, but because I believed in Sam. So I hope the board can get its act together and bring Sam and Greg back." Also from a sibling comment: https://twitter.com/search?q=from:paulg…

Paul's tweet is an objective statement, it does not say anything about character or values and is not explicitly supportive.

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> CEOs are professional communicators who have reached the highest level of the craft Elon Musk has entered the chat...

That's the exception for someone born wealthy, buys an existing company, and installs themselves as CEO.

The source for his being born wealthy is his father. Who is known to be a conman.

For example the emerald story seems to be false. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-father-errol-never....

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