Must every god damn article be about SA now? Like what is with all this drama? Is he really that important? I do not mean it in a demeaning way, I just want to know why is all the hype building around this person? I thought he was just the sales / marketing guy? No?
OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
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> MSFT don't have OpenAI's IP Satya Nadella just did a podcast with Kara Swisher. In it he specifically said, "we have all of the IP rights to continue the innovation". https://open.spotify.com/episode/4i4lKsKevNSGEUnuu7Jzn6
You could say that if you "believed" you could build it from scratch. It doesn't mean they actually own the existing IP although rubes thinking about buying MSFT may think so.
It appears they have an exclusive, irrevocable license to the existing IP. They have the GPT-4 weights, and the legal right to use them however they see fit. That's the deal with the devil OpenAI made.
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#393Should we start flagging these -what do people think? This is what, the 12th front page story today about the openAI drama? Also wondering why the mods don't consolidate them
We've merged quite a few! but not all, because (1) to some extent there are distinct ongoing subplots, and (2) it's too big a mess to control. If you or anyone want to know how we handle this, here you go... Once or twice a year, a Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) hits HN that isn't just one big story, but an entire sequence of big stories. A saga, even! This is one. With these we can't do what we usually do, which is have…
also there's some chance, like 20%, that this particular melodrama is determining the future of humanity
also true of snowden of course, but maybe less directly
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> because the board tried to keep Greg at the company Aside from the fact that they didn't fire him as President and said he was staying on in the press release that went out without any consultation, I've seen no suggestion of any effort to keep him at the company.
Right, but there was no effort to actually oust him either. Which you would expect them to do if they had to fire guilty parties for a massive wrongdoing that couldn’t be ignored Either he had no part in this hypothetical transgression and thinks the accusation is nonsense, or he was part of it and for some inexplicable reason wasn’t asked to leave Open AI despite that. But you have to choose.
> Right, but there was no effort to actually oust him either.
Reducing someone's responsibility significantly is well known to often be a mmechanism to oust them without explicitly firing, so I don't know that that is the case.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
You could say that if you "believed" you could build it from scratch. It doesn't mean they actually own the existing IP although rubes thinking about buying MSFT may think so.
It appears they have an exclusive, irrevocable license to the existing IP. They have the GPT-4 weights, and the legal right to use them however they see fit. That's the deal with the devil OpenAI made.
> It appears they have an exclusive, irrevocable license to the existing IP.
Appears from what? I've seen this stated several times, usually citing nothing and occasionally citing a Nadella statement from which it would be a very tenuous inference.
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Back in the late 80s, Lotus faced a crisis with their spreadsheet, Lotus 1-2-3. Should they: 1. stick with DOS 2. go with OS/2 3. go with Windows Lotus chose (2). But the market went with (3), and Lotus was destroyed by Excel. Lotus was a wealthy company at the time. I would have created three groups, and done all three options.
Which would have had been a tradeoff too. More time to market, fewer people on each project, slowed down by cross platform code.
Lotus was a rich company, and could have easily funded 3 full strength independent dev teams. It would not have slowed anything down.
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#397Must every god damn article be about SA now? Like what is with all this drama? Is he really that important? I do not mean it in a demeaning way, I just want to know why is all the hype building around this person? I thought he was just the sales / marketing guy? No?
It's a real life game of thrones lol, let people have their fun this is hella entertaining to follow
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#398Seems like a drama shit show played out on gigantic proportion highlighting what has been happening in small scale business ever since the inception of “I will screw u over once I get a chance.”
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My favorite hypothesis: Ilya et al suspected emergent AGI ( e.g. saw the software doing things unprompted or dangerous and unexpected) and realized the Worldcoin shill is probably not the one you want calling the shots on it. For the record, I don't think it's true. I think it was a power play, and a failed coup at that. But it's about as substantiated as the "serious" hypotheses being mooted in the media. And it's m…
Absolutely wild to me that people are drawing a straight line between a text completion algorithm and AGI. The term "AI" has truly lost all meaning.
LLMs predict language, and language is a representation of human concepts about the world. Thus, these models are constructing, piece by piece, conceptual chains about the world.
As they learn to construct better and more coherent conceptual chains, something interesting must be happening internally.
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The thing I can't understand is how Emmett Shear accepted the interim CEO position. I presume he must have known this reasoning (he tweeted that he did know the reasoning). Everything I've read online is that Shear is generally well respected and competent. Then how on Earth was he willing to get anywhere near this toxic dumpster fire? It's already been reported that the former GitHub CEO and the Scale AI CEO turned…
I'm sorry to say... But my analysis is either: he was poorly informed by the board Or He agrees that they are off the rails with respect to safety. See the Atlantic article, if you havn't read. Lots of context. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38341399 The new guy believes that there is a 5-50 percent chance of full AI Armageddon. I get the impression that the two women on the board may agree. The quora guy I don…
The new guy is completely off the deep end with regards to AI "safety." This clownfest isn't over yet.