It's like a Facebook drama, haha.
OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
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#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
(Rips off mask) Wow, it was the Quora CEO all along! So this was never about safety or any such bullshit. It’s because GTPs store was in direct competition with Poe!?
Absolutely mindboggling that Adam is on the board. Poe has direct competition with the GPTs and the "revenue sharing" plan that Sam released on Dev day. The Poe Platform has their "Creators" build your own bot and monetize it, including OpenAI and other models.
Even more interesting considering that Elon left OpenAI’s board when Tesla started developing Autopilot as it was seen as a conflict of interest.
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#393It seems odd to have it described as “may resign.” Seems like the worst of all worlds. That’s like trying to create MAD with the position you “may” launch nukes in retaliation.
It's easier to get the support of 500 educated people at a moments notice by using sane words like 'may'. This is rational given the lack of public information as well as a board that seems to be having seizures. Using the word 'may' may seem empty-handed; but it ensures a longer list of names attached to the message -- allowing the board a better glimpse of how many dominoes are lined up to fall. The board is being…
Right, but the absolute last thought you want in the board's head is: "they're bluffing."
200 people or even 50 of the right people who are definitely going to resign will be much stronger than 500+ who "may" resign.
Disclaimer that this is a ludicrously difficult situation for all these folks, and my critique here is made from far outside the arena. I am in no way claiming that I would be executing this better in actual reality and I'm extremely fortunate not to be in their shoes.
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#394The whole thing starts to look like a coup orchestrated by Microsoft
Reasoning based on cui bono is a hallmark of conspiracy theories.
The alternative is "these guys don't know what they're doing, even if tens of billions of dollars are at stake".
Which is to say, what's your alternative for a better explanation? (other than the "cui bono?" one, that is).
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#395This was handled so very, very poorly. Frankly it's looking like Microsoft is going to come out of this better than anyone, especially if they end up getting almost 500 new AI staff out of it (staff that already function well as a team). > In their letter, the OpenAI staff threaten to join Altman at Microsoft. “Microsoft has assured us that there are positions for all OpenAI employees at this new subsidiary should we…
But is the door open to everyone of the 500 staff? That is a lot, and Microsoft may not need them all.
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#396I've never seen a staff walkout / threat to walk out ever succeed.
Am I wrong?
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#397Seems like Microsoft is getting the rest of OpenAI for free now.
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#398If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…
> Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits To be clear, these don't go away. They remain an asset of OpenAI's, and could help them continue their research for a few years.
So you're saying Microsoft doesn't have any type of change in control language with these credits? That's... hard to believe
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#399HN desperately needs a mega thread, it's only Monday early hours, there is so much drama to come out of this.
Or a new category, like "Ask HN" and "Show HN". Maybe call it "Hot HN" or "Hot " or something like that. Could be used for future hot topics too. If you change the link bold every time a hot topic is trending, it could be even used to show important stuff.
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#400There can exist an inherent delusion within elements of a company, that if left unchallenged, can persist. An agreement for instance, can seem airtight because it's never challenged, but falls apart in court. The OpenAI fallacy was that non-profit principals were guiding the success of the firm, and when the board decided to test that theory, it broke the whole delusion. Had it not fully challenged Altman, the board…
Yes, indeed and that's the real loss here: any chance of governing this properly got blown up by incompetence.
Of we ignore the risks and threats of AI for a second, this whole story is actually incredibly funny. So much childish stupidity on display on all sides is just hilarious.
Makes what the world would look like if, say, the Manhattan Project would have been managed the same way.
Well, a younger me working at OpenAI would resign latest after my collegues stage a coup againstvthe board out of, in my view, a personality cult. Propably would have resigned after the third CEO was announced. Older me would wait for a new gig to be ligned up to resign, with beginning after CEO number 2 the latest.
The cyckes get faster so. It took FTX a little bit longer from hottest start up to enter the trajectory of crash and burn, OpenAI did faster. I just hope this helps ro cool down the ML sold as AI hype a notch.