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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by coolThingsFirst »

dash2 wrote: post #150
logicchains wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

I cannot believe I have to say this. No, beheading children and torturing them in front of their parents is not a "counter-attack", nor is it "resistance". This statement is actively evil.

Right and Israel bombing civilian dense Gaza is passively evil?

Bombs are brutal.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hef19898 »

shiroiuma wrote: post #376
hef19898 wrote: post #373

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How much self government do you really have when you are under embargoe by all neighbouring states, are not recognized as sovereign nation and depend dor basix essentials (water, fuel...) on the former occupier? It is an occupation by all measures but name.

How is it Israel's fault that they're embargoed by other neighboring states? And what's been keeping all the other states from supplying those basic essentials? Last I heard, they got a lot of humanitarian supplies from many other countries worldwide, even as far away as Japan. AFAICT, Israel would rather just not deal with them at all. Countries shouldn't be forced to annex their neighbors and administer them. Didn'…

Gaza is described, by Amnesty International and the Norwegian Refugee Council, as the world largest open air prison. It depends for all life necessities on Israel and has all of two neighbours, Israel and Egypt. The former being also the former occupier which refuses to lift the embargoe and prevents Gazans from participating in normal life in Israel, incl. working there. All Israel did to technically not make it an occupation is to withdraw troops, getting rid of that cost and risk. They did not so get rid of accountability and responsibility.

That situation is the perfect breeding ground for extremism. Israel is not at all innocent in the FUBAR that is the middle east and Gaza in particular, regardless of the excuses Israel finds.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by thesaintlives »

coolThingsFirst wrote: post #360
kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

What if he remained silent?

Nothing necessarily. In a situation like this many people would feel ill. If you are ill an interview is not reasonable to answer questions. If you are ill you should see a doctor. If you felt really bad like you might be sick you would have to lie down!

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #364
kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Is there any 'legal' way to get around sharing a password if asked to? I'm thinking either a rotating password that you learn only when you need to access a device/file that is on a separate device that you store somewhere else. Or we take a leaf out of nuclear launch keys and two people have part of the password- if any of this is remotely different- obligatory IANAL

They'll just imprison you until you unlock the device (or for up to 5 years, if you'd prefer to just wait it out)

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by shiroiuma »

hef19898 wrote: post #392
shiroiuma wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it Israel's fault that they're embargoed by other neighboring states? And what's been keeping all the other states from supplying those basic essentials? Last I heard, they got a lot of humanitarian supplies from many other countries worldwide, even as far away as Japan. AFAICT, Israel would rather just not deal with them at all. Countries shouldn't be forced to annex their neighbors and administer them. Didn'…

Gaza is described, by Amnesty International and the Norwegian Refugee Council, as the world largest open air prison. It depends for all life necessities on Israel and has all of two neighbours, Israel and Egypt. The former being also the former occupier which refuses to lift the embargoe and prevents Gazans from participating in normal life in Israel, incl. working there. All Israel did to technically not make it an…

Why should they be obligated to allow Gazans to participate in normal life in Israel? They're de-facto two separate countries. Why isn't Egypt getting the same criticism? They could do the same, but they don't. And there are many other Arab nations in the region that, while not directly bordering Gaza, could help out if they wanted. Iran does (though not Arab), but they provide them with weapons.

Before the attack, Israel was issuing work permits to Gazans to let them work and earn badly-needed money in Israel; so much for that.

I can see why Israel doesn't want Gazans participating in normal life there: they keep shooting rockets at them. And after the latest atrocity, they'll probably never entertain the idea of good relations with them.

Is Korea an "apartheid state" because North and South Korea refuse to let each other's citizens "participate in normal life" on the other side of the DMZ?

>Israel is not at all innocent in the FUBAR that is the middle east and Gaza in particular

It seems like the reverse to me: their actions in the West Bank continue to be wrong and cause problems (illegal settlements). But I don't see how they've done anything wrong in Gaza in 17 years: they simply don't want that group of people in their country, and they have that right.

Also, why is it that people like you never criticize Egypt for not taking in the Gazans? There's really nothing stopping Egypt from annexing Gaza.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

blibble wrote: post #388
marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

these days Murray is an embarassment to anyone he associates with if anything the UK gov would want him freely associating with the SNP not locked up where he's prevented from embarrassing them

He's pretty anti-SNP these days

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Post by marcus_holmes »

throw310822 wrote: post #356
marcus_holmes wrote: post #333

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And there's evidence (as Mr Murray documents, which was obviously his "real" crime) that this was all a fit-up by the current SNP leadership to discredit Mr Salmond so that they would be free from criticism from him about the lack of movement on independence and the SNP pivot from independence to culture war issues. Also, probably, the reason that the SNP leadership are now pushing for jury-less trials for sexual abu…

I am struck by the fact that you can be publicly disgraced while your accusers remain anonymous, and remain such (and I bet suffer no consequence) even after their accusations against you are proven false or irrelevant. I don't know the details, but when 8 separate individuals accuse you, all without cause, it's hard to believe it's a coincidence.

It wasn't a coincidence, it was a carefully co-ordinated campaign (as Mr Murray documented).

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Post by jwestbury »

bboygravity wrote: post #14
dangerface wrote: post #5

Every one in the uk is a Terrorist according to the Terrorism Act. We really do live in a police state here. This isn't anything new ither this has been going on for nearly 20 years now since they first implemented it with the promise they wouldn't use it to harrass protestors it was the first thing they did. The voting public have no interest in freedom.

The voting public also doesn't have any way of doing anything against this in any meaningful or efficient way. Last I checked UK wasn't a direct democracy.

There are no nations which are direct democracies.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hef19898 »

shiroiuma wrote: post #396
hef19898 wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaza is described, by Amnesty International and the Norwegian Refugee Council, as the world largest open air prison. It depends for all life necessities on Israel and has all of two neighbours, Israel and Egypt. The former being also the former occupier which refuses to lift the embargoe and prevents Gazans from participating in normal life in Israel, incl. working there. All Israel did to technically not make it an…

Why should they be obligated to allow Gazans to participate in normal life in Israel? They're de-facto two separate countries. Why isn't Egypt getting the same criticism? They could do the same, but they don't. And there are many other Arab nations in the region that, while not directly bordering Gaza, could help out if they wanted. Iran does (though not Arab), but they provide them with weapons. Before the attack, I…

Egypt isn't getting the same crticism because:

a) they never occupied Gaza to begin with

b) they have yet to bomb Gaza

Egypt gets the same criticism when it comes to the embargoe so.

But you know who is stopping Egypt from annexing (interesting choice of words, by the way) Gaza? Israel. And you actually have not the slightest idea what apartheid is and how it works.

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