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For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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As a homeschooled kid: Be warned that I heard “homeschooling has changed since we were in school” in the early 2000s, from multiple parents who are now estranged from their adult children. It hasn’t really changed that much - it’s just something parents like to tell themselves to avoid thinking about the experiences their children are missing.

Throwaway for sensitive topic. I came here to write your comment and was thrilled to find it already here. As a homeschooled kid who considers myself damaged as a result, I completely agree. The OP comment is eerily similar to stuff my parents said in the 2000s-early 10s and were totally wrong about. My parents weren't religious at all and were totally in it for academic enrichment. They were all about the "new wave…

I appreciate your sharing your perspective, but you've made a few comments that I find extremely overgeneralized that I'd like to respond to. But first, I'll begin like you did: As a publicly-schooled kid who considers myself damaged as a result, I'm choosing to homeschool my children in order to try to protect them from the worst of that.

I got bullied pretty relentlessly (the goods are odd... and an easy target) and what little solace I could find was in doing my academic best, and receiving recognition and accolades from my parents and teachers. Thus I have also ended up a people-pleaser.

> Homeschooling is the ultimate egotistical project of attempting to form a living, human child [...] into a mirror of one's self.

Certainly for some, but that is not our goal and I am trying to be very mindful and cautious of that pitfall. I am trying to give my children the tools and skills that they will need in order to live fulfilling lives (by which I mean, able to keep themselves housed and fed, and with whatever calling or vocation or work pleases them most. I suppose that does carry a bit of my own projection with it, that it would be difficult to find life fulfilling if one is starving or without reliable shelter, but I feel that such beliefs are shared by enough of our society that the kids would receive them if they were in school as well). Will I make mistakes? Certainly. Will we be able to maintain a good relationship? I dearly hope so, but time will tell. Do I think the odds of us achieving those goals are higher than if we forced them into a school? Yes, I do.

The kids are involved in a number of extracurricular activities (mostly physical activities like biking and swimming and dance, but likely robotics at some point sooner rather than later) many of which include a range of kids with varying ages, many (most?) of whom are not homeschooled. Why wouldn't this expose them to different cultures, and provide them with other sources of approval and validation (friends, teammates, coaches, other parents)? Hopefully it will, even as that means I have to quash my desire to discourage them from hanging out with people whose views I don't necessarily agree with--just as I would if they were in school.

Anyway, in closing, to me it seems like the challenge is more one of helping kids, especially neurodiverse ones, learn how to navigate a variety of social dynamics and to be strong, independent persons who have a sense of personal identity and the skills to share that with other people but also to defend their boundaries when pushed... and that neither public school nor homeschool are necessarily good or bad at that (or perhaps, given our respective experiences, that both are bad at it ~wry grin~)

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>This means the kids gather together in one location because many kids can learn from the person doing the teaching. >Often as well it makes sense for the parents all to contribute a little money so that instead of the parents having to teach things that they are not expert in, the can pay as a group for someone with subject expertise to assist. >It can be problematic though gathering so many kids into one house for…

Something I heard a few years back put my life experience as a kid in perspective. At least for me, in the most important way possible, it doesn't sound like regular school at all. The main deep life impacting characteristic of standard public schools is coerced unwelcome company. You're forced by law to be around the same bullies for 5, 10, even 12 years. The natural order with organic friendships (and indeed probab…

I understand freedom of association as going both ways. I don’t think there’s a need for the term “freedom of non association”.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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I don't get it. Why can't bullying exist in the group homeschool at church? It's functionally equivalent to a school. Are you making a brand new point about traditional homeschooling (parent-child) or replying to the OP in the thread?

If a kid is a bully then the parents organizing the group can kick that kid out (as a last resort). Additionally if a child is being bullied they can tell their parents and the parents can take action directly, this can happen publicly but there's a lot of layers of administration making it non-trivial. In a way the group homeschool can be thought of like a small private school, it's just simpler to handle personal p…

It’s not unlikely that the bully is a child from a parent who organizes the groups…

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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As a homeschooled kid: Be warned that I heard “homeschooling has changed since we were in school” in the early 2000s, from multiple parents who are now estranged from their adult children. It hasn’t really changed that much - it’s just something parents like to tell themselves to avoid thinking about the experiences their children are missing.

Throwaway for sensitive topic. I came here to write your comment and was thrilled to find it already here. As a homeschooled kid who considers myself damaged as a result, I completely agree. The OP comment is eerily similar to stuff my parents said in the 2000s-early 10s and were totally wrong about. My parents weren't religious at all and were totally in it for academic enrichment. They were all about the "new wave…

This is an extremely loaded topic as are many child raising related questions.

We have (mostly) homeschooled our kids. There are many forms of homeschooling. My kids didn't do study groups and instructional materials. We mostly did what's known as unschooling. But they ended up doing a mix of traditional schooling (with remote schools and then in person) and pursuing their own interests. I think it worked out well for them. One is in her last year of high-school (going to school full time now) and one has already graduated from university, has a job, is doing pretty well.

If I look at myself, I would say I consider myself partly damaged from going to school. I think many of my peers also have damage from the school system. It kills the desire to learn, there are negative social phenomena like bullying and other abusive situations. Many young people under peer pressure get introduced to substance abuse. There's even extremes like suicide. Schools are not a great environment for learning or for socializing. Some people do well, some people do very poorly.

> forcefully indoctrinating kids with a single perspective is wrong, full stop

Isn't this a great description of the school system? I totally agree by the way. Our kids had/have control over what they wanted to pursue.

I am sorry to hear of your experience. There are many things I wish my parents did differently. Parenting is hard and every person is different. Not going to school can be a better experience, at least in my opinion.

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Something I heard a few years back put my life experience as a kid in perspective. At least for me, in the most important way possible, it doesn't sound like regular school at all. The main deep life impacting characteristic of standard public schools is coerced unwelcome company. You're forced by law to be around the same bullies for 5, 10, even 12 years. The natural order with organic friendships (and indeed probab…

Learning how to deal with adversity and dumb people was school's greatest gift. The world is full of both.

Getting knocked down then kicked every day at recess, cowering and begging for them to stop, solely because of the color of my skin, while children laughed at my misfortune, until the teacher eventually waddled over to save me was not, in fact, a great gift for me.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Only some kids truly have an aptitude for mathematics anyway. That's an absurdly strong and inaccurate statement that feeds into psychological walls that then get erected in the minds of the young and perpetuate ad infinitum. The psychological research here is very clear: stressing work, over some sort of ethereal innate 'talent', in ANY area makes a massive difference in skill attainment. I don't have time this mome…

Dyscalculia is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

True of course. I've seen estimates of about 10% (your link quotes 11%) of children (i.e., 90% of children don't have it) but the obvious question is on what basis what the diagnosis made? You can guarantee that only a few of those kids have had an MRI scan determining a brain structure indicative of a structural association with dyscalculia in the brain. Easy to jump to conclusions and miss many other possibilities which do not present apparently impassable barriers to learning maths.

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In home school, there is less people and more choice. Choice for whom, the student or the teacher? The teachers are the ones with the agendas, in all senses of the word.

No parent's agenda is for their child to be kicked around by another kid.

It routinely happens in families and friends groups of parents (kids of parents friend bully the kid). It the setup described above, the kid have less choice over who friends will be.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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No one that's going to the additional effort of finding and participating in this type of school is going to let their kid be a legitimate bully. That level of parental involvement is what's lacking from a bully's life.

That is laughably naïve. Plenty of parents think their little angel can do no wrong and will at best ignore evidence to the contrary.

While I do agree with you here, I do think the OP has a point. Homeschool parents are _involved_. Its a small, close community. Word gets around.

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Home schooling is a real burden on many parents who aren't professional teachers of course and are pulled in many directions. One of the most exciting emerging trends in home schooling is to pool the resources of multiple home schooling parents. It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day. So home schooling parents can team up and share the…

> It's simply not practical for parents to commit all the hours needed for full time home schooling 9 till 3:30PM every day This is a “tell me you don’t homeschool without telling me you don’t homeschool” No homeschooling family I ever met has set hours, and most spend far less time than that daily. Schoolwork takes a lot less time when you cut out the crowd control, distractions, “pledging allegiance” and other nons…

I never did pledge of allegiance nor my kids. Never homeschooled.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Why shouldn’t the government have a say in what is taught to children? Children are not their parent’s property. These are future citizens and I would prefer that society has a say in what is taught to them. In a democratic system the government represents the will of the society.

Ok but I’d rather my kids have be raised understanding and influenced by their parent’s perspective so that they will influence society along those similarly into adulthood.

Yep, the whole point for many homeschooling parents is isolation of kids and ideological inctrination.

We just don't think it is noble.

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