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Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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Dark Reader, LocalCDN, Firefox Relay, Firefox Translations, LanguageTool among others I have installed on Iceraven, a Firefox for Android fork.

consent-o-matic, tampermonkey

Thanks, I didn't know about consent-o-matic, will try it out. If it works that will be the best extension in a long time.

Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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There's a lot of hate any Firefox and the "blessed apps." But come on, chrome and Safari don't sorry add-ons at all! I know there are other apps that support add-ons but the fact is that Firefox is __the only__ "mainstream" browser that does this (quotes because it's 0.25% in the US, as the 4th most popular, behind Samsung fucking Internet). It's popular to hate on Firefox, but this is the nerdiest of nerd issues and…

I'd love 50% of the world use Firefox. I personally can't - had some visual issues with it (each time I tried it, on different machines - sounds like unbeliveable bad luck, eh), I just don't like it, all the small annoyances just piles up.

I'm sad that Vivaldi uses Chromium under the hood, but that the only thing that has UX I need (and I don't even care about its slow UI and random crashes every few days).

But I'm always happy to hear someone uses Firefox.

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The claim above, disputed by you: "They got one billion dollars and they're reducing software development spending to focus on agenda pushing instead" "Privacy cause" is an agenda they're pushing. An agenda I happen to agree with, but promoting that privacy agenda is not software development spending no matter how you look at it. You can't reasonably claim these are equivalent just because you like them both. Telling…

Perhaps there was a time when Mozilla's sole monetary focus was development of the Firefox browser but if there was it was a long time ago. There aren't only two pots of money in the Mozilla budget, one labeled "software development" and another "agendas", they do all kinds of things. An increase in "agendas" does not automatically mean a decrease in software development. Case in point: Mozilla used to have a "Mozill…

Nobody said it's a binary. The claim is that they've reduced development spending, which is factual. They laid off a ton of developers, are you forgetting that? Or do you think that doesn't count as reduced development spending?

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> - Why do you need 1000+ staff to roll out an open source browser engine / browser and an email client? Writing fast moving mature Software for multiple platforms, is not something you can do with three nerds in your spare-time. Web browsers are highly complex, and Firefox has still many historical grown baggage to improve and maintain. And let's be fair, their software has a very high quality-level, even we can dis…

I think you're mixing up annual and monthly salaries/employee expenses. At 666K/month the 3 "well paid" workers are costing 222K/month and the 20 "poorly paid" workers are costing 33K/month. I'd be rather okay getting paid this poorly! I like where you were going with your comment but the math doesn't support the specific argument.

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Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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Perhaps there was a time when Mozilla's sole monetary focus was development of the Firefox browser but if there was it was a long time ago. There aren't only two pots of money in the Mozilla budget, one labeled "software development" and another "agendas", they do all kinds of things. An increase in "agendas" does not automatically mean a decrease in software development. Case in point: Mozilla used to have a "Mozill…

Nobody said it's a binary. The claim is that they've reduced development spending, which is factual. They laid off a ton of developers, are you forgetting that? Or do you think that doesn't count as reduced development spending?

> The claim is that they’ve reduced development spending

The claim was more specific than that: it was “reducing software development spending to focus on agenda pushing instead”.

Two factual statements:

1) the Mozilla Corporation laid off engineers

2) the Mozilla Foundation spent money pursuing “agendas”

I am suggesting that those two events are not necessarily connected to each other.

Re: Firefox desktop extensions coming soon for the upcoming Android release

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There's a lot of hate any Firefox and the "blessed apps." But come on, chrome and Safari don't sorry add-ons at all! I know there are other apps that support add-ons but the fact is that Firefox is __the only__ "mainstream" browser that does this (quotes because it's 0.25% in the US, as the 4th most popular, behind Samsung fucking Internet). It's popular to hate on Firefox, but this is the nerdiest of nerd issues and…

all this has accomplished in the last decade is a decrease in market share You are confusing cause and effect. We've been saying the same things as we watch Mozilla slowly strangle Firefox to death for a decade. That said, this is great news. I'm very much looking forward to being able to capture embedded videos on Android and maybe even get back my precious DownThemAll.

> We've been saying the same things as we watch Mozilla slowly strangle Firefox to death for a decade.

Absolutely not true. I still hear people talking about FF as if it is pre-quantum. They complain about how slow it is. But quantum made it faster and more secure overnight. There's still a lot of people who are complaining and have just never tried it after the big issues were fixed. Or they try it, there's a small cognitive dissonance because checks notes "the interface is horrible", and so they call it slow attempting to justify why they dislike it rather than making an actual criticism or giving it a fair shot. Come on, the UI is almost identical across the board with browsers.

And we're doing this for what... to give Google more power over the internet? I'm sorry, I think it is you who are confusing cause and effect. You participated in the monopolization of browsers and are suffering the consequences of it. Because of a little convenience. The path to hell is indeed paved with "good intentions." Little steps is all it takes to make progress over decades. Unless you can tell me there's a huge major problem with FF that outweighs the ad focused internet, then you have it backwards.

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And their constant user hostile redesigns. Suddenly tabs are floating separately from their pages. And now if a page is playing audio you can no longer see its favicon, etc Speaking of mobile firefox where did Save as PDF vanish and why? and so on edit: I have been told in a reply the save pdf feature still exists but has been changed for no reason to a different location in the menu

"The favicon will show a special icon to show you which tab started autoplaying some stupid video" The utter horror. It's so user hostile to make an easy way to see which tab is the source of the annoying sound you are hearing. Oh, and it doesn't hide the favicon unless you have so many tabs open each tab can only fit the favicon. So for probably the vast majority of users who don't spend their days with 300 tabs the…

Whats the point of it? The previous design showed both the favicon and the sound playing icon together? The new one does not show the favicon anymore. The old design never felt cramped or tiny or anything like this, so I call bs on this.

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Firefox randomly broke all my extensions and workflows one day in the pursuit of some obscure technical goal, via forced update that I couldn’t roll back. I asked about it, and they banned me from their subreddit, so I deleted that stupid browser and never went back

"Sam Adams stopped making the beer I like so I went into a random pub to complain loudly and got thrown out. Now I just drink Bud Light!" Today Mr. Firmwarrior stands in the public square shouting about Firefox some more.

Yeah, I'm done with Firefox. The company is completely rotten and dysfunctional, and getting personally attacked by fanboys when I'm unhappy with something they do isn't going to change my mind.

If Chrome actually tries to force some crazy user-hostile breaking change like Manifest V3, we'll probably get enough pushback to see a really polished Chromium fork take off. Worst case, I can use LibreWolf as my daily driver

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Yes, mozilla is desperate to diversify income so google can't shut them down, and if you are a manager who can usefully direct improvements and plans for a web browser project, google can afford to pay you basically any dollar amount to keep you out of the hands of mozilla, so they probably don't have stellar management. Meanwhile firefox works well, is plenty performant, and isn't pushing "standards" that try to mak…

Yours is a false dilemma. Being aghast at Mozilla’s non-profit mismanagement does not mean that one is using any other browser. A lot of us here are using Firefox but hoping and praying that the Foundation will be called to account or development will be taken over by some more benevolent and competent force.

Your efforts come across as facile to me. You're wanting a democratic organization, or at least one capable of acting in the interests of the consumers despite the fact that more consumers does not necessarily benefit the organization. This is an unrealistic expectation given the political economic circumstances, being those of late-stage capitalism. Even the most benevolent leader is constrained by their circumstances and hard power. You cannot resolve this through the consumer marketplace; you need to engage in politics one way or another.
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