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Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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post #154

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The cause of the problem is that your software is faulty by design. 1. IP addresses are to be used for packet routing. Certainly not for assigning "behavior scores" to users in the background. IP addresses say nothing about your visitors, my IP address could have been a complete stranger's IP address yesterday. 2. Deciding who can access half the web based on their TLS signature achieves nothing in the long run excep…

I sympathize with your frustration, but you also have to admit that Cloudflare is tasked with an impossible problem: from a sea of requests, identify those that are coming from robots that are disguised as humans. So there is no perfect solution. You can't use strong identity because a user can share their identity with a robot. You have to use a crapy heuristic that only works most of the time (or tell site owners i…

Is only Google allowed to crawl?

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

#393

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The cause of the problem is that your software is faulty by design. 1. IP addresses are to be used for packet routing. Certainly not for assigning "behavior scores" to users in the background. IP addresses say nothing about your visitors, my IP address could have been a complete stranger's IP address yesterday. 2. Deciding who can access half the web based on their TLS signature achieves nothing in the long run excep…

You're being a little dramatic. It's incredibly unlikely that millions of innocent users have been blocked, and unless you have data to the contrary you shouldn't make such a claim. You know what else is harmful to the concept of the open internet? The enormous malicious botnets and other endemic problems that require a solution like CloudFlare.

>You know what else is harmful to the concept of the open internet? The enormous malicious botnets and other endemic problems that require a solution like CloudFlare.

You know what's infinitely worse? Monopolies.

Half these problems can be fixed by banning certain parts of the world. It's just politically shifted out of the Overton window to do that so CF profits greatly.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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The cause of the problem is that your software is faulty by design. 1. IP addresses are to be used for packet routing. Certainly not for assigning "behavior scores" to users in the background. IP addresses say nothing about your visitors, my IP address could have been a complete stranger's IP address yesterday. 2. Deciding who can access half the web based on their TLS signature achieves nothing in the long run excep…

Your alt solution is what?Everyone should build their shit to handle millions TB/s of DoS traffic?

Block the countries it comes from?

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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The cause of the problem is that your software is faulty by design. 1. IP addresses are to be used for packet routing. Certainly not for assigning "behavior scores" to users in the background. IP addresses say nothing about your visitors, my IP address could have been a complete stranger's IP address yesterday. 2. Deciding who can access half the web based on their TLS signature achieves nothing in the long run excep…

You're going by the specified, designed use cases of those technologies. Every spec is a three-edged sword: the spec, the intent of the spec, and the use of the spec in the wild. In practice, Cloudflare does a pretty good job on far-more-than average of gluing together some heuristics in an unspec'd way to filter traffic. It sucks because you can't plan around it, but that's rather the point because the malicious act…

Why does HN have such aggressive and seemingly illogical post rate limits anyway?

Is it a theory about increasing quality of communications? It can't be a tech bottleneck.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

#396
post #138

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Cloudflare controls about 19% of websites. Of the websites that use a CDN, 80% of them use Cloudflare [0] (in a note at the bottom of link). [0] https://community.cloudflare.com/t/statistically-speaking-wh...

Afaik, neither of those numbers legally constitute a monopoly and wouldn't qualify for antitrust action.

It will likely be up to the EU to step up again.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

#397
post #84

So many privacy nuts use Chrome and don't realize this: > What about Google Chrome? > I tried all of the above in Firefox. So I naturally tried to access the same page in Google Chrome to see if I’d still be blocked. Thankfully, I wasn’t. > But of course I wasn’t because Chrome doesn’t have the same privacy- and security-enhancing designs that Firefox does. Chrome will happily collect as much private information abou…

>If you care about anything these days, don't use Chrome.

I care about a lot of real world stuff - human rights, wars, the environment, friends etc. I don't care if Chrome knows who I am and tries to show me ads which uBlock then blocks. There are more important things to worry about than privacy geekery.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

#398
post #293

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Easy to say don't use Chrome, harder to say don't use Cloudfare. And if we're taking things to task for monopolizing a market and being a threat to the future of the open internet, I'd say Cloudfare is and will always be a bigger threat. The moment the Cloudfare dictatorship becomes less benevolent, everyone is gonna feel it.

Website owners can just stop using cloudflare though…

Yes, but how can end users opt out of using Cloudfare?

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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post #397
post #84

So many privacy nuts use Chrome and don't realize this: > What about Google Chrome? > I tried all of the above in Firefox. So I naturally tried to access the same page in Google Chrome to see if I’d still be blocked. Thankfully, I wasn’t. > But of course I wasn’t because Chrome doesn’t have the same privacy- and security-enhancing designs that Firefox does. Chrome will happily collect as much private information abou…

>If you care about anything these days, don't use Chrome. I care about a lot of real world stuff - human rights, wars, the environment, friends etc. I don't care if Chrome knows who I am and tries to show me ads which uBlock then blocks. There are more important things to worry about than privacy geekery.

Famous last words: "There are more important things to worry about than privacy".

If you've read history (and maybe you have, or not) privacy is a human right. When privacy goes away, then everything else goes away. Ask anyone over 60 in Germany or Romania (that was not WITH the army or the Police/Security services) and they will tell you how nice life is without privacy.

But hey, sure, 1) privacy doesn't matter, 2) you got nothing to hide, etc etc.

Re: Blocked by Cloudflare

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You're assuming website owners are aware of the issue… How would they know? Cloudflare is just telling them it blocked a bunch of bots.

They have before and after analytics.....

They will presume the before traffic was bots? Unless they also see a drop in sales or ads they won't notice.
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