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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by hackinthebochs »

capableweb wrote: post #269
hackinthebochs wrote: post #265

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Tabs Outliner for chrome/edge is far superior than any other tab extension, and I've tried nearly all of them.

Looks like a separate window, so clearly not superior to Tree Style Tabs in Firefox.

Unfortunately due to limitations of chrome's extension model, there is no way to have a built-in extension sidebar like on firefox. I just manually position the tab window next to the browser window and it's fine. The window sizes are remembered and so it's really a non-issue.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #390
jzoch wrote: post #286

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Honestly you are the first person I’ve ever heard that prefers chromes tab system. Check out tree style tabs it’ll change your life. I hate chrome now solely due to it

Tab groups in Chrome are a relatively new feature (and might still be behind an experimental feature flag, or at least the ability to save tab groups might be). They're a game changer; so much better than using a third party extension IMO.

>Tab groups in Chrome are a relatively new feature

I'm gonna die on this hill but I'd like to add that Opera had tab groups natively without extensions since 2010 [1]. Damn I feel old now.

Also, UX of tab groups in old-Opera was way nicer than current-Chrome since you could just drag and drop tabs on top of another and it would automatically create groups.

[1] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2512081/opera-11-ships...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #362
entropicdrifter wrote: post #330

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I'm convinced that a significant proportion of people today don't use bookmarks and have never leveraged their power because they grew up with tabs and never bothered to explore their other options for organizing websites. You can save all of the tabs of your current session as a bookmark folder in one fell swoop! Your research tabs can be all saved together and opened as a group! Your gift ideas that you won't close…

On modern browsers, don't unused/old tabs take up basically no resources? I remember both Chrome and FF making a big deal over that point years ago.

There were extensions for it more than a decade ago already, but these days it is indeed the regular out-of-box behavior (though Chrome got it only a few months ago IIRC).

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

dhimes wrote: post #389
beltsazar wrote: post #214

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I switched to Firefox from Chrome years ago because Chrome was slower. Specially, when there were many tabs opened, switching tabs in Chrome were usually prefaced with a blank white screen for about 2 seconds. I've been staying with Firefox not for the performance (today Chrome loads Google sites like YouTube faster), but mainly for Tree Style Tab extension. I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs withou…

I've stayed (edit: with Firefox) because of (1) containers and (2) password storage. I have to use Chrome for some things, and every now and then it prompts me for a password and refuses to use the auto-fill. Totally torques me off because my passwords are not easy. But I completely trust Firefox on the password issue, to the point that I let it generate them for me.

>But I completely trust Firefox on the password issue, to the point that I let it generate them for me.

Not that I don't trust them but I always recommend using a dedicated PW manager like KeePassXC which is FOSS and has been security audited, plus it gives you full control over where you get to store your PWs and how they're secured and generated.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by jklinger410 »

xd1936 wrote: post #8

I've used Firefox as my primary browser since the "Quantum" in 2017. Chrome still feels snappier, but Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing.

Container tabs are unfortunately not very usable for me. I have extensions that are unique to the profile. When they decided to redo the tabs rather than modernize the profile workflow, it basically forced me to use chrome.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

akino_germany wrote: post #275
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #53

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which is a fast DNS? 1.1.1.1 ? I thought the OS caches DNS anyway, so shouldn't matter much in day to day browsing.

Find out for yourself using https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

Not downloading a random exe to my computer, sorry)

And by random I mean downloaded from a website of corporation with less than $100B valuation :)

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by dylan604 »

Jochim wrote: post #299
dylan604 wrote: post #67

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I use the FF devtools daily, and for what I'm working on, it has everything I need to help me get the things I need done. Knowing that I'm not everyone and have plenty to learn, what things are missing from the devtools for you?

I use FF and prefer the devtools. Chrome's ability to temporarily edit and save changes to JS sources through the debugger editor is fantastic though. Other than that it's mostly just improvements to what FF already has. Search could be made much more useful, especially network requests. Searching all request bodies/responses for a particular string/json/regex would be a huge step up. You can search the response of i…

>Chrome's ability to temporarily edit and save changes to JS sources through the debugger editor is fantastic though.

Does this affect the live code so the change is available immediately? I once had a thought about wondering if this was possible to have the change available without refreshing

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

kdklol wrote: post #164
wintermutestwin wrote: post #71

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>Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing. Yes, and the lack of a viable vertical tabs solution for Chrome (though some Chrome based browsers have native implementations). I am baffled how anyone could still be using horizontal tabs as it is clearly inferior. I am also annoyed as hell that it is not native in Firefox.

As a person who habitualy closes everything, I often average around 5 tabs open, rarely going above 10. With so few open at a time, the giant column of vertical space for the tab tree would be a waste of screen real estate, which can be better utilized to open another window i a vertical split arangement, or just for the website's content. Having said that, I know one of my friends has always at minimum 100 tabs open…

The benefit of vertical tabs is (IMO) more about organization than having tons of tabs open. It's particularly useful to have a tree of tabs when browsing API documentation, to allow for quickly navigating to different doc pages in the hierarchy without having to wait for page loads.

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Post by square_usual »

wackget wrote: post #66
emsixteen wrote: post #36

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I use it, but just don't like the devtools. Or moreso miss some things from Chrome/Edge.

For me it's the opposite. Firefox's dev tools feel better. What things are missing?

I really like that the Chrome profiler shows you the profile right there. Firefox insists on opening the profile in a browser tab. This is fine, but is an unnecessary context switch for me.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by lelandbatey »

imdoor wrote: post #387
lelandbatey wrote: post #367

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It's ADHD sure, but it's also an unwillingness to close tabs, and (generally) that we have poor windowing systems that force us into ~1-2 browser windows at a time because browser windows are harder to manage than tabs. The big change for me has been realizing that all my "tabs" are still there, in the form of my browser history, or if not, via Google search. If I can't find my way back to a website via my history or…

Most of the times when I've tried finding stuff in (Firefox) history, I wasn't able to. Unless it's in the last week or so. In my experience, history filtering and search options are too basic to be useful. Once I was even desperate enough to try to load some Firefox sqlite file directly, hoping to query history entries, but that didn't work out. The only reliable way that I've come across for finding stuff after a l…

I do find the built-in browser history is sufficient for _my_ needs, in that I mostly want a super-fadt autocomplete of certain hot items. Everything else that I know I want to revisit and find again I've bookmarked, but I don't bookmark that many things, maybe ~1 new bookmark a month.

Mostly though I realize I have focused heavily on not having clutter vs. being able to recall quickly everything I've ever found necessary or useful. It's a trade off I like, but it may not be for everyone.

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