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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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js2 wrote: post #381
madars wrote: post #341

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They deliberately reduced the contrast. Compare iOS 5 when iMessage came out: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/archive/09-27... and now: https://images.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3468389/how_t... This underscores GP's point: Apple is expert at making anti-consumer decisions that fall just inside the Overton window.

What am I missing here? In iOS 5, it's black on blue vs black on green. Now it's white on blue vs white on green. Contrast between text and background looks the same to whether green or blue. In general, Apple has lowered contrast throughout the UI over the years. There's an accessibility setting for high contrast if you need it.

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by withinboredom »

SpaceManNabs wrote: post #283
ballenf wrote: post #270

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gmail app on iOS refuses to load a link from an email in Safari. It will monthly ask you to confirm if you want to load it in Chrome. If you stick with safari it will load the site in an internal safari webview, requiring a second tap on the bottom to launch in the real safari. Can break some magic link login emails.

> gmail app on iOS refuses to load a link from an email in Safari > If you stick with safari it will load the site in an internal safari webview, requiring a second tap on the bottom to launch in the real safari ??? Many applications do this, including those from Apple itself. I don't see the refusal here.

It's so annoying to get a Github link to a private repo (aka, review comments) only to open into an internal webview that isn't authenticated.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

Since probably a year back I can't get links in emails to open correctly from Outlook with any browser without copying the link manually. So for me it does not matter.

I think apps should work in the general way an OS is designed. This change may lead to the same mobile app horrors where every app is also a browser that breaks common user flows.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by dabinat »

SebastianKra wrote: post #365
vladvasiliu wrote: post #346

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> The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better What do you mean by this? I have an iPhone but don't have airpods, just "regular" BT headphones. Under windows, they're hit or miss (sometimes they don't reconnect), but they work pretty well under iOS and mac os. They work best under linux (!), especially since it's the only one to support LDAC (though I understand some non-sony androi…

To connect regular bt headphones, you must go to Control Center > Hold on Bluetooth > Hold Bluetooth again > Select the headphones > wait > tap once to exit > tap twice to exit > swipe up from the bottom. AirPods are always accesible via the AirPlay-menu, which is prominently featured in many media apps. Again: still fine, but just bad enough to partly influence my next buying decision.

I don’t think this is a case of Apple crippling non-Apple headphones but more a case of Bluetooth being pretty limited.

Either way, the user experience is still better than on Windows. Whenever I start up my PC it steals my headphones, even if I’m currently listening on another device (or worse, making a phone call). I’ve searched online and it seems there is no way to switch this off. The only solution seems to be to manually unpair or disable Bluetooth after using it.

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Post by acomjean »

Spivak wrote: post #351
lostmsu wrote: post #159

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The dark pattern is redirecting Google search to Apple maps.

How do I get this to happen? I turned them all on typed in an address, hit return, hit the button on Google and it opened in Google Maps. I'm on the latest version of iOS.

It's the "safari suggestion" feature. As you type it does a sort of auto complete. For me it was a restuarant name, that "safari suggested" and put at the top of the browser window above the google results. I think the trick is happens before the return is clicked. I was on the go and trying to work fast. I turned it off as a user suggested.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by philistine »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #366
mholm wrote: post #357

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In terms of unique OS-level integrations: Airpods are not paired with a device: they're paired with your Apple ID. If I pair the airpods with my iPad, I can seamlessly switch them to iphone, to Mac, to my Apple TV. They'll even auto-switch if it detects you've stopped using your current device. Airpods automatically try to pair with a nearby iphone when opened, if one of your own devices isn't around. All of this is…

But is there a way of making this work with regular bluetooth headphones? AFAIK whey you pair them, the HP will remember the device's physical address, so the random apple devices you may have would have to present the same address to the headphones. Hell, this doesn't work on its own, even between a Linux and Windows install on the same PC. You have to manually move some connection information between the two to get…

Very often when Apple decides to go in its own direction, you can criticize them for not improving standard ways of doing things instead. File transfers, contact sharing, etc.

But with Bluetooth I believe Apple is right to forge its own path. The standard is convoluted, built on old methods, still cannot pair two buds in a sane manner, and can’t provide enough bandwidth for Apple’s uncompressed format.

I expect Airpods to leave Bluetooth behind sooner rather than later.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

madars wrote: post #341
lttlrck wrote: post #339

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SMS messages have always been green on iOS. Since before iMessage existed. I don't recall ever having trouble reading them.

They deliberately reduced the contrast. Compare iOS 5 when iMessage came out: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/archive/09-27... and now: https://images.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3468389/how_t... This underscores GP's point: Apple is expert at making anti-consumer decisions that fall just inside the Overton window.

It's worth pointing out that Apple has some of the best accessibility options out there. There's an "Increase Contrast" setting that increases the contrast for SMS messages.

Yes, one could argue that the default should provide high contrast for everyone, but once this setting is enabled, it effectively becomes just that going forward for those that need it.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by withinboredom »

acomjean wrote: post #133
kwanbix wrote: post #107

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I really don't like to use Edge, and I don't like imposed changes, however if you read the article, it says that it can be turned off, or am I missing something? "Ultimately though, if this experience isn't right for you, you can turn off this feature the first time it launches in Microsoft Edge, and then in Outlook settings at any time after that."

The fact that it does it at all is the issue. Someone wrote code that literally is watching for users trying to download another browser. You usually download a browser just once, so turning if off isn't the issue. I suspect some of less technically inclined might abide by it and not download the new broswer. It almost seems like trial run for stopping the download. I can imagine "clippy" popping up an saying "I see…

The code itself likely comes from Google, not Microsoft. You can open Chrome and go download Edge/FF, IIRC, it only shows if chrome is the default browser. At least it used to a couple of years ago.

Gmail still nags me about not using Chrome.

I don't see the issue here.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

buro9 wrote: post #229
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows. Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with. This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work. PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingl…

I really don't get this battery life complaint.

What kind of system are you running?

On my thinkpad, arch install squeezes 9 hours after 7 years of use.

On a dell XPS I'd get about 13 hours with the gpu disabled and display set to 1440p instead of 4k. Sure you might say "but I need my GPU and 4k 15'' display" to which I reply eh maybe but I don't.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by tremon »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #104

Right in the KB: "Ultimately though, if this experience isn't right for you, you can turn off this feature the first time it launches in Microsoft Edge, and then in Outlook settings at any time after that."

So ultimately though, Outlook ignores the Default Browser setting of the OS, unless you tell it not to? Does that mean that it's ok for every application to ignore the system-wide settings until you explicitly configure it otherwise?

Then what it the point of having system-wide settings in the first place?

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