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Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by thefourthchime »

function_seven wrote: post #356
tester457 wrote: post #350

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I've never used Slashdot, how is the moderation model superior?

Instead of plain up- and downvotes, you rated a given comment with one of several positives (insightful, interesting, funny, informative) or negatives (troll, flamebait, offtopic) The best part was you could set your personal filters to exclude “funny” comments, or boost “offtopic” ones if you want. With thresholds! So the funniest stuff could still break through, but you didn’t have to wade through a million pun pos…

Man, I haven't been on Slashdot in like 15 years. My username has four characters. To give you an idea how long ago that was.

You're right, it was a pretty good way to do moderation. As in everything with software, what old is new, right?

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by linuxftw »

throw16180339 wrote: post #362
linuxftw wrote: post #57

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I think you underestimate the ability of AI to literally solve this problem for almost nothing. The large subs can absolutely be automated moderation, if they're not already. Enough flags on a post? Just take it down, there will be 15 million new posts in an hour.

> Just take it down, there will be 15 million new posts in an hour. I'm a mod at a 150k+ user subreddit. AI can probably handle removing objectionable content, but I spend most of my time on other areas that are much less susceptible to automation. • Removing requests when there are recent similar posts. We've found that users disengage when the same requests are posted every week. • Hosting AMAs. An AI isn't going t…

I'm confident an AI can be utilized for 'remove duplicate content' type of operation.

AMAs don't require a mod to participate, just the community. All mods really do is sticky a thread.

People deceptively promoting their own products, others are free to down vote them and report the post.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by CommitSyn »

malermeister wrote: post #334
gumballindie wrote: post #193

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Yeah I remember back in the day people stealing credit card data used to claim there is nothing to be done against them. Then warez kids on irc claiming no one can or should stop piracy. Things will eventually balance out, dont worry too much.

Piracy still hasn't been stopped, fwiw

Neither has credit card theft, from beginner to expert.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by trinsic2 »

mr_gibbins wrote: post #311
thefourthchime wrote: post #231

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I deleted my 8yo account. It was right after someone downvoted me because pointed out something that broke with their opinion. That kind of summed up my view Reddit. Groupthink circle jerks. Why was I part of any of that??

I've always felt the downvote option was a colossal mistake and just allowed controversial or unpopular points of view to disappear, strengthening the filter effect for everything else. I mean even 4chan doesn't have downvote functionality, if people disagree with you they'll just call you a f* or n* which, while nasty, doesn't actually change visibility of your post, plus only the admins can ban you or delete a post…

I agree, downvoting is a bad idea across the board for silencing people that are not in the majority group-think. You don't even have to have a reason to down vote someone.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by cgranier »

CommitSyn wrote: post #379
yamazakiwi wrote: post #141

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Breaking the muscle memory has been the hardest part for me. I don't have that much investment in Reddit succeeding and I'll be damned if I don't try to tap the app on my phone 3 or 4 times a day still, even after deleting.

I deleted my account and my 3rd party app and I found myself reflexively tapping the now-empty spot on my home screen 5-10 times yesterday. Today I haven't and only went to the mobile site a couple times to see what's going on with the state of things, but left as soon as the first "Oops, this /r/AskReddit text-only post is NSFW, open in the app!" message came up. I have however visited HN and kbin 5-10x more today.

I moved the Sync icon to a folder and replaced it with Hack (a hacker news app).

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by redsky880 »

majormajor wrote: post #140
CincinnatiMan wrote: post #93

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Your view is a little simplistic. There is plenty of useful information on Reddit. I'm a big fan of home-related subs for example, where a lot of trade-knowledgeable people seem to hang out. There is a wealth of information on subs like r/DIY, r/HomeImprovement, r/paint, r/woodworking, etc.

I've often wondered why people use Reddit for stuff like this since the information and conversation management and organizational tools seem vastly inferior to most any pre-Reddit forum software. My current working theory is largely that internet search is just broken. It's easier to search for subreddit once you're on Reddit than to wade out into the sea of SEO crap and try to find a live, reliable format on the br…

Google SEO. The first thing people often do is search for something on Google. The first result(s) are often Reddit

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by narism »

post-it wrote: post #314
CryptoBanker wrote: post #204

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Replacing a few mods that moderate many large communities with paid mods is ripping the door wide open to lawsuits

What damages would who experience?

Defamation for starters. See Neibich v. Reddit and Berger v. Reddit. So far section 230 has shielded them from much of these but the law has been targeted over the last couple years. So far the Supreme Court hasn’t addressed questions on the scope of section 230. I’m guessing the thinking goes if section 230 scope is narrowed and moderators are on the company payroll that could move them from a content provider (not liable) to more of a newspaper publishing articles (liable).

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Post by throwawaymobule »

basq wrote: post #317
mr_gibbins wrote: post #311

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I've always felt the downvote option was a colossal mistake and just allowed controversial or unpopular points of view to disappear, strengthening the filter effect for everything else. I mean even 4chan doesn't have downvote functionality, if people disagree with you they'll just call you a f* or n* which, while nasty, doesn't actually change visibility of your post, plus only the admins can ban you or delete a post…

But 4chan is also a complete cesspit. Like any place that adopts "free speech absolutist" attitudes. Reddit's heyday is long passed, but at least it is still very useful for grassroots information amalgamation. If you've ever had to google some issue, typing reddit into the query will land you some posts with discussion in them. Good luck finding that on 4chan.

there's a few semi-shady things that 4chan does better than anywhere else though. like finding pdfs for rpgs. not to say it's not a pit, cess or otherwise, but there's a good few nuggets swimming around in there.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by redsky880 »

WheatMillington wrote: post #198
majormajor wrote: post #140

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I've often wondered why people use Reddit for stuff like this since the information and conversation management and organizational tools seem vastly inferior to most any pre-Reddit forum software. My current working theory is largely that internet search is just broken. It's easier to search for subreddit once you're on Reddit than to wade out into the sea of SEO crap and try to find a live, reliable format on the br…

Everyone uses Reddit because everyone uses Reddit. Most people old enough to remember forums agree that forums were a dramatically better solution, but they're generally dead now (with some exceptions). Discourse is almost entirely Reddit or Facebook these days.

Forums still rule for discourse content for some subjects. Some of them are basically grand-fathered in because Google will surface them and their communities started before Reddit. Guitar gear is one of those. There are still half a dozen forums that provide way better discourse than Reddit. I imagine a big part of that is because the users are an older age group.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by redsky880 »

pxmpxm wrote: post #361
xyst wrote: post #50

Good. This works out for everybody except the brain dead C-level executives that tried to bully indie app developers. - regular people get a break from their echo chambers - VOLUNTEER mods get a break - journalists get their news article The only loser here is the corporation side. Significant loss of value from decreased user activity. Subsequent loss of revenue. Inability to extract as much value from the users dat…

Am I missing something - all reddit has to do is one code change to prevent subreddits from getting private or closed. Feels like a bunch of people are completely misreading their self-presumed social status and leverage. The content is what drives traffic and revenue, not their fungible volunteer labor.

That would make some communities public that had nothing to do with this protest
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