If you genuinely think an ML model does not get "contaminated" by the content it is trained with, you should train a model exclusively on Disney animated products and let people download the model from your website, maybe run it in browser wasm to generate images, see how that goes for you.
Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
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Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does your ability to write fantasy books absolutely depend on having read those fantasy books as a kid? Was gaining the ability to write your own fantasy books and profit from them your only motivation to read those fantasy books? After gaining the ability to write fantasy books thanks to having read them, can you now produce fantasy books at a qualitatively different speed, scale, and conditions than any of the auth…
How much does the world owe to Gilgamesh and Homer?
I don't know. Whether the answer were to be either 'our entire human culture', or 'absolutely nothing whatsoever', or any point in between, how would that be relevant for the discussion at hand?
Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
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… Now, that’s the one where they remix his narration on the show with his standup routines. It’s still mind blowing that they actually gave him the part to begin with. Same for Ringo.
The Warhammer 40k stuff with David Attenborough seems pretty interesting too. eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XAhAfcTWs
The creative / interesting part with the WH40k content is that you can't just take a chunk of text from some book and drop it into the voice synthesizer.
In order to get the Attenborough feel, it is necessary to use the proper vocabulary and word order along with punctation hints for pausing and phrases.
Without that work you get something closer to the Joe Rogan fake podcast where things just feel "off".
Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
The purpose of copyright is to create moral and economical incentives to authors to create new copyrightable works, but giving those authors a time limited state granted monopoly. Reproduction is only one aspect to this. As an example, applying a song to a video require addition permissions even if the party has permissions for reproduction. The owners to a record can also disallow the use of a song in a political ev…
Your examples are not inherent rights that copyright law explictly grants to rights holders. They are clever side effect of how the holder licenses out their monopoly on reproduction. Holders rarely grant unrestricted reproduction rights to anyone. Reproduction rights licenses always come with a bunch of explicit restrictions, for example: "You may reproduce this novel, in print, unmodified, only for retail sale, in…
The thing with sync rights is that they are a construct made by US courts, who made the interpretation that syncing music to a video invokes the derivative works part of US copyright law. As such a party need to obtain both a license to reproduce and a license to create a derivative work. US copyright law are split into six categories, one which is reproduction. The other 5 are: preparation of derivative works, distribution (which is not the same as reproduction), public performance, public display, and public performance by means of a digital audio transmission. Copyright owner is given in the law the right to convey each of these exclusive rights separately.
Other countries like say France has moral copyright law and property copyright law as cleanly separate laws. Different rules but with similar practical implications.
In both cases they are not just fine prints in a license. A license that intend to give recipients full permissions need to include everything. This is why international written copyright licenses are a huge legal problem with no obvious solutions.
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The human brain is vastly more complex. We don't learn by building up an understanding of the average human face, grouping by clusters of features. At best it would be a extreme oversimplification that ignore 99.9% of what the brain does. The eye neurons (still an oversimplification) sends the visual inputs to multiple parts of the brain, each interpreting and signaling each other, and the outcome of that both influences and changes growth and behavior of those paths and parts. You see a face and it talks to the Amygdala, but also to the frontal cortex, but also the limbic and pre-limbic cortex. It runs a simultaneously a simulation in the hypothalamus to test emotional reaction. We are still not at the hippocampus where long term memories is generally considered to form.
A person would be long dead if they had to go through the generic understanding of what a tiger look like, then go through memories that distinguish a lion with a cat, and last go through memories of the significance of a fenced tiger in a zoo in contrast to one in the jungle.
Trying to remember a given human face actually invokes a lot of those parts of the brains that activated when we saw them, and a face can also be remember by putting oneself into the emotional state that we were when we met them. One theory about dreaming is that we also rerun those neural pathways, but not all of them at the same time, which then allows for more context.
LLMs doesn't even come close to operate like this. It can be good at emulating what seems like learning, but comparing them is like saying that the complex system we call the immune system is like a gun. Both can kill people.
Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
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> If you are going to use someone else's work in order to make something that you are going to profit off of, I believe that original author should be compensated. And should also be able to decide they don't want their work used in that way. > Note that I'm not talking about what existing copyright law says; I'm talking about how I believe we should be regulating this new facet of the industry. Is it really new? Hum…
> Humans have always learnt by studying what's out there already. Our whole culture is built on what's been done and published before Are you implying that educators should not be compensated or credited? Because that is not how it works in the real world.
Educators get paid a flat fee, not an indenture on your future work (nor do you owe anything back to the people who made the learning materials they use). And if you teach yourself from books or websites you don't pay anything (except maybe the cost of the books). All of which seems right and proper?
Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
#396I testified to the US Copyright Office this morning on AI in their roundtable session on AI and music[1]. A good portion of the focus of this panel was on whether copyrighted inputs (in this case, sound recordings and musical compositions) being fed into AI models for training purposes could plausibly constitute a fair use under existing US copyright law. Some of the comments here are missing the context of the recen…
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Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you are going to use someone else's work in order to make something that you are going to profit off of, I believe that original author should be compensated. And should also be able to decide they don't want their work used in that way. > Note that I'm not talking about what existing copyright law says; I'm talking about how I believe we should be regulating this new facet of the industry. Is it really new? Hum…
>> Is it really new? Humans have always learnt by studying what's out there already. "Humans" being the important word here. I don't understand why people keep trying to compare training a model to humans learning through reading etc. They are very different things. Learning done by machines at enormous scale and done to benefit private companies financially is not the same as humans learning.
The differences don't seem salient though. Doing a legal thing faster doesn't generally make it any less legal; doing it for profit changes the legal regime somewhat but not in ways that seem relevant to what's being claimed.
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> Example 1: get ID card at the airport when you emigrate to japan. In Europe it takes 2-3 months. Yeah now have fun going through the process of renewing a My Number card. Go to city hall (during the hours when it's open), fill in a form, wait 2-3 months to get a notification that your replacement card has been made, then you have to book an appointment during office hours at city hall to pick it up (likely taking a…
I agree the my number card is a pain, if they want people to use it they should make it easier to get. When I went to get a plastic my number card, the staff at city hall advised me not to get it because I had a driving license and I'd have to renew the my number card every time my residence status was extended. They recommended it to non-holders of driving licenses to use as ID. But I'm standing by these examples. F…
> And the company that sponsors you has to either prove you're highly skilled or prove they tried to hire a European for a set period of time first.
Well, that's different rules, not more or less bureaucratic. (And if you're the first foreigner hired by a given company in Japan, good luck for how many months you'll have to wait while they verify the company).
> And if you're not from a visa-waiver country, you aren't even allowed to travel in Europe while you wait for the ID card.
Pretty sure that's country-specific. And I've heard plenty of complaints from people in Japan not being able to travel, not just on arrival but every year, because it's de facto impossible when awaiting a visa renewal (you have to go to collect your new card within a short time once you get the notification to do so, and you don't know when that will arrive).
> For my driving license, I probably won't have to wait in line, but the total time to process it is at least four months.
I'd have taken waiting four months over having to use one of my 10(!) days off/year, although obviously that's specific to your personal circumstances.
> For starting a sole proprietorship, similar story. A bit annoying paperwork to start one in Japan, but it only took a few hours for everything. Here, it's 3 months and counting, and it's possible that it comes with a condition that I need to rent space for doing consulting (not do it from home) before getting the OK.
True, the support for starting a business is pretty good (though only if you're a citizen or already on a non-work visa - on a work visa it's extremely difficult to do legally, office space isn't the half of it. The much-vaunted Fukuoka startup visa is completely useless in practice since you have to qualify for a regular visa within 6 months).
I'm sure there are countries in Europe that are bureaucratic, probably some that are more bureaucratic than Japan (I know e.g. Italy in particular has a poor reputation). But I'd certainly say Japan is a lot more bureaucratic than Ireland, and a lot worse than it should be.
Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
They already paid when they bought the books. Why would they need to pay more?
Say I want to write a screenplay and produce the resulting film, for profit, but I am literally unable to have any ideas whatsoever unless I base them on book that I read. With this in mind, and with this sole motivation, I buy and read the whole collection of Brandon Sanderson's novels and create a screenplay based exclusively on their content, for I have no ideas nor experiences of my own. I already paid when I bou…
Anything you create comes from what you've seen, from what you've experienced.
That's a dead-end to start having to pay each and every one of the original sources of the components of your mind each time they are used to create!
Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training
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I do agree with you, but honestly I don't even think that's the biggest problem with these arguments. I'm just sitting here wondering why it is even relevant whether the "AI" is "copying", "learning", "thinking", or whatever, why is any of that important? Does AI have human rights? Well, perhaps in a couple hundred years, if humanity manages not to self-extinguish by then. It's not like you can sue AI if you think it…
> these multi-billionaire corporations are taking everyone's honest work, putting it into a computer, and selling the output And then there's the tens of thousands of people training models and making them freely available to everyone. What I fear most is that regulations introduced "to stop" the multi-billionaire corporations will in fact make sure they're the only ones with the resources to comply with the regulati…
I'm not arguing for nor against regulations, I'm simply commenting on the whole "well, it's technically not stealing, therefore it is OK" debacle, all that means is that legally speaking, it's OK, that doesn't make it ethical.