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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by lost_tourist »

capableweb wrote: post #8

> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

yeah verified only means you either gave your credit card name/number to them or someone gave them a stolen one. It's basically useless. However in this case I'm more apt to believe the government is manipulating photos than randos on twitter given the recent drive towards religious and ethnic minority discrimination by the Indian government.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by lost_tourist »

suddenclarity wrote: post #68
jeromegv wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well let’s see what Twitter says about their new blue program Your account must have no signs of being misleading or deceptive Your account must have no signs of engaging in platform manipulation and spam So Twitter is telling us that those accounts should not be deceiving. Yet, they are. https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twit...

Sounds more like regular ToS that gives Twitter the right to cancel paid services, not a magic method to fix the issue. I know a ton of verified politicians that lied weekly on Twitter pre Musk. It's an unsolvable issue.

TOS only get used if you're a fly in the ointment in most cases.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by lost_tourist »

jeswin wrote: post #183

This has devolved into a political discussion unfit for HN. The OP's submission history[1] is almost entirely political, and promoting a specific viewpoint. While I believe it's ok to discuss politics on HN, my view is that accounts that exist solely for political propaganda should be discouraged. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=throwaway384629

In your opinion...

I think AI manipulation of public opinion is a great topic for HN, IMNSHO

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #380
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Liberals fall for this trick frequently because they are obsessed with being seen to have to correct answer, so they invest for more effort in debunking than the liars did in making their claim. Excuse me while my eyes roll into the back of my head. Whether "liberal" or "conservative", some of us still care that facts matter. And honestly I would never have worried so much about calling out so much bullshit in the…

Sorry for not expressing my point more clearly. It's not that nobody should ever engage in debunking, but that deliberately bullshit statements are often introduced on social media to steal the time of well-meaning debunkers. I realized Qanon was going to be a problem from when it first appeared, but that's because I've spent about 20 years paying close attention to mis- and disinformation and political influence gro…

Ah, gotcha, understood.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by throwaway384629 »

rajeshp1986 wrote: post #341
throwaway384629 wrote: post #140

I would also like to share examples on how Modi Government Jails every honest opposition leader who does development work for general public and gets popular. 2 leaders of Aam Aadmi Party (a primary opponent to PM Modi) are lodged in Jail for months without trial. Same judge appointment by Modi government somehow gets all the cases related to Aam Aadmi Party and orders to extend the judicial custody month after month…

All the leaders you mentioned have accumulated and hoarded cash which was disclosed in IT raids. There is an ongoing investigation on how they sold liquor licenses for cash. They are jailed as per court orders after investigation. [1] - https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/policy/story/liquor-scam...

Pardon my language. But this is utter bull**t. Have you even read the link that you shared? It says:

>> "Special CBI court allows ED to question Delhi Health Minister Satyendar Jain"

>> "The ED is now probing the money-laundering angle"

>> "Jain is currently in Delhi's Tihar jail in connection with a money-laundering case, which is also being probed by the ED."

Do you know the difference between "jailed after investigation." and "jailed while being probed"?

If tomorrow CBI arrests you on allegation of money laundering and then keeps you in jail for one year while investigating, are you fine with that?

Can you please point me to a single news article which says they recovered any cash? And how much was it?

Can you please also point me to a single BJP leader in whole country who has been jailed while being investigated?

The SA accused BJP leader against whom women wrestlers are protesting was a BJP guest in yesterdays parliament event.

I am just amazed at the analytical abilities of some of today's "engineers" and "entrepreneurs". :(

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by actionfromafar »

quesera wrote: post #346
13of40 wrote: post #319

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OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the…

OK, I think that's a valid consideration. I don't think you'll get much pushback for prioritizing the will of the people, and their disinterest in living in a war zone. I have not read anything on NPR or CNN calling for the expansion of war in the Baltics. But they run opinion pieces too, just like most other media outlets. I was expecting something controversial. :) The counterargument of course is that the region w…

Ah, like the red lines drawn up for Assad in Syria.

And Crimea is strategic. Look at a map. Without it, the Ukraine and its ports are always under threat from the whims of Russia.

It’s probably true that you can’t crush Russia without serious consequences. Unfortunately, you can’t let it win territory without very serious consequences either.

This follows its own tragic logic now and you (we) can’t wish for a nice solution that has no consequences down the line. Letting Russia off the hook is a terrible precedent.

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Post by actionfromafar »

jsheard wrote: post #46
EscapeFromNY wrote: post #16

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> yeah, but the truth came out The truth came out this time. To borrow from Ozark: this isn't the only time they doctored photos, it's the only time they got caught.

Also the truth came out here, but I wonder if the truth will get out on Indian Twitter given that the Indian government is one of the most prolific issuers of Twitter takedowns, and the odds of them being approved has supposedly spiked from about 50% under the old leadership to about 99% since Elon took over. Previously governments had to expect some pushback against over-reaching takedown requests, but the new polic…

Mm, can’t wait to live on Mars with chairman Elon.

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Post by Aerbil313 »

lolinder wrote: post #138
juujian wrote: post #6

That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

This phase won't last long in the grand scheme of things. We've had about 150 years in which people have been conditioned to trust anything that they see in a photograph, but it's always been possible to fake it and for the last 30 years it's been getting dramatically easier. AI just brings us full circle back to the era of woodcuts—just because you see a photorealistic image or hear an audio recording does not mean…

Won’t the same apply to public online conversations (social media, forums)? Anyone can be a bot, and thus I think something like conversing digitally with only those whom you exchanged keys with their phone via bluetooth or NFC irl will be more and more common? I know no solution besides web of trust architecture + irl exchanged keys.

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Post by quesera »

actionfromafar wrote: post #396
quesera wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, I think that's a valid consideration. I don't think you'll get much pushback for prioritizing the will of the people, and their disinterest in living in a war zone. I have not read anything on NPR or CNN calling for the expansion of war in the Baltics. But they run opinion pieces too, just like most other media outlets. I was expecting something controversial. :) The counterargument of course is that the region w…

Ah, like the red lines drawn up for Assad in Syria. And Crimea is strategic. Look at a map. Without it, the Ukraine and its ports are always under threat from the whims of Russia. It’s probably true that you can’t crush Russia without serious consequences. Unfortunately, you can’t let it win territory without very serious consequences either. This follows its own tragic logic now and you (we) can’t wish for a nice so…

I agree completely.

We were asleep when Russia took Crimea, and unprepared to react with anything more than stern words. We were not ready for Putin. He obviously saw the opportunity, took the risk, and he won.

It would be tragic to return to a world where aggressive expansionism is the norm.

But fighting back through Crimea would be tragic also. And it's not clear we would have the support of the locals. That's courting disaster even before you contemplate that the opposing leader is mercurial and nuclear.

My opinion is that we have to take the L on Crimea, but make it clear that the world is not sleeping any more, and that Ukraine is not next on the menu.

Syria is an important example. US bluster doesn't carry much weight in the world these days.

But the situation in Ukraine is very different. It astonishes me that there's political disagreement on Russia's aggression toward neighbors, but if we fail Ukraine it will be squarely the fault of one group of people, and it will be incredibly damaging to US interests in the world.

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