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Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by poxrud »

lisasays wrote: post #385
poxrud wrote: post #384

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What does “suppressed in the public sphere” mean in this context? The books are either banned or not. People are free in Ukraine to read and posses Russian books. You can sit in a coffee shop in Kyiv with a Russian book, while speaking Russian to a friend and be perfectly fine.

What does “suppressed in the public sphere” mean in this context? Information about the law is very easy to find. If the topic interests you it may be worth your while to have a look. The books are either banned or not. Or there's a greyscale. Like you know, most things in life. Again, do yourself a favor and look into the law and what it does. I could explain, but you need to at least do some of the work yourself he…

You have made a lot of incorrect assumptions about me, so I will stop participating in this discussion. For anyone else reading this please know that if you visit Ukraine you can bring with you a book in Russian or in any other language. Furthermore feel free to walk into a local bookstore and purchase a book in Russian.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by Aerbil313 »

genman wrote: post #387
Aerbil313 wrote: post #360

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> Sometimes, when everyone else is hostile to you Anthromorphizing, just another symptom of the human mind’s inability to really comprehend things as complex as geopolitics. We’re not meant for this, people! Technology has complexified our simple and beautiful world.

We understand the "geopolitics" very well. We also understand that pretender, that Russia is, always has been and always will be.

We’re not meant to understand any of that. It doesn’t mean a few people devoting their lifes to it can be familiar with a fraction of the actual depth of such complex subjects.

https://youtu.be/o1vX03h7w9c

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by c00lio »

coding123 wrote: post #393

The stretches that various organizations go through to get people's attention is bizarre. Seriously an RFC? What's next an RFC on jailing Trump?

The Snowden revelations had profound consequences on the standardisation process, because mass surveilance was thereby proven as a real and present attack that has to be considered. Undue influence on standardisation processes by the NSA was also a relevant point. Later protocols and standards started to take both into account. All those are in scope for RFCs, there are quite a few about standardisation procedures, circumstances, etc.

Re: Reflections on Ten Years Past the Snowden Revelations

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Post by candiodari »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #392
genman wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We understand the "geopolitics" very well. We also understand that pretender, that Russia is, always has been and always will be.

We’re not meant to understand any of that. It doesn’t mean a few people devoting their lifes to it can be familiar with a fraction of the actual depth of such complex subjects. https://youtu.be/o1vX03h7w9c

It's much simpler. People in Ukraine, and everwhere in Eastern Europe compare the future that Russia offers them, and the future the West offers them. I'm sure some are swayed by high minded theoretical ideas, but not many.

They choose the West. We all know why. Money you could say, but it's more something like "a better life". And yes, the Holodomor is part of this. That came from the east. Something else starting with "Holo" also came, but from the West.

But if Maidan proved anything, it's that the West offers Ukrane a better life, in the mind of Ukranians, a better Future. It's not really about history. And, of course, this government will not let that go.

You can say the same about everyone from Estonia to, really, even Turkey (I mean, at this point they're seriously insulted by the West ... but not nearly insulted enough to choose Russia's side).

And Russia is afraid. They're "locked in" with impossible to defend borders. They're not friends with the West ... and they're not quite insane enough to imagine China is their friend either. So the idea that Putin initially defended, that without a "buffer zone": countries that will fight or at least obstruct the west, Russia cannot avoid losing large amounts of territory very quickly if it comes to an open conflict, from either side. And they cannot really project power over the sea, without approval from either Europe or China either (or if the Arctic melts, with US agreement). They're fucked, or at least, you have to admit there's a logic there.

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