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HP disables customers’ printers if they use ink cartridges from cheaper rivals

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Post by jmugan »

anadem wrote: post #320
jmugan wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Brother laser printer like the internet told me to, and I even paid extra money to get the one that is easy to connect on wifi, but we can't seem to connect the printer to any macs wirelessly. It only connects to the iphones and the ubuntu machine. It just doesn't show up in macs. Anyone know anything about that?

Make sure it has a fixed IP and doesn't default to using DHCP (not sure this will fix yours, but saw a thread elsewhere where that was the cure)

I'll check that, thanks!

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #188
detrites wrote: post #79

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While I generally agree, there's something more immediate. All of us having this view can refuse to ever buy or even use HP products, and explain to anyone and everyone at every opportunity exactly why this is. Boycotts can be immensely powerful, and strike fear into the hearts of those who would exploit us. Personally, I will never buy an HP product again. Absolute, permanent blacklist. It's simply way too disgustin…

> Boycotts can be immensely powerful, and strike fear into the hearts of those who would exploit us. I cannot find a single example of a successful boycott in my lifetime. Can you?

Most do nothing major, but I found a list as the top result from a search for "successful boycotts".

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boycotts-history-201802...

In my lifetime: The South African Apartheid boycotts drove US congressional action and ultimately resulted in an end to apartheid.

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wongarsu wrote: post #58
DiabloD3 wrote: post #35

Did you know Brother makes really good printers that are inexpensive and live a long, happy, life? And their drivers aren't user hostile? This is one of those really good "vote with your wallets" situations.

Or buy a laser printer. They cost a bit more upfront, but a single toner cartridge lasts ages (and won't dry out or get used up in cleaning cycles), the printers are generally much more robust and longer lasting, and because laser printing isn't as patent-encumbered there's more actual competition and less outright user-hostile behavior.

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Post by slowmovintarget »

mcny wrote: post #12

The CEO and the board must serve prison time for things like this. No measure less than prison for the CEO and all board members is enough to curtail this because it just becomes the cost of doing business. No, you can’t say it wasn’t your decision. If you want to not be held accountable for the work your employees, contractors, and agents do on your behalf, you should have to prove they acted against your express wr…

Or have no one buy their printers...

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Post by dbsmith83 »

kerkeslager wrote: post #294
frankfrankfrank wrote: post #250

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I had to double check and you were not responding to me, but yes, it was in fact you who was passive aggressive rude and underhanded with your snide “surely I don’t have to”, conceited, pretentious, snarky response. If you’re going to accuse others of being rude, you should start. This is not reddit. Are you lost? Pretentious pomp should best be left at the door anywhere outside of the reddit quarantine of awful huma…

What normal people are concerned about: "Corporations are destroying people's lives for the profit of a few." What Hacker News is concerned about: "Someone was slightly snarky in an internet post." I didn't accuse anyone of being rude. I don't care if you're rude to me. This whole "rudeness" thing is just a transparent way of distracting from the question: Why can't we hold executives personally, financially or crimi…

Because "make decisions that harm people" is vague, and criminal codes should be explicit and clear? Who the fuck would want to do business if someone can arbitrarily claim they broke some vague law that most surely would not get applied fairly and equally? It's a terrible idea.

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Post by RandomBK »

wongarsu wrote: post #58
DiabloD3 wrote: post #35

Did you know Brother makes really good printers that are inexpensive and live a long, happy, life? And their drivers aren't user hostile? This is one of those really good "vote with your wallets" situations.

Or buy a laser printer. They cost a bit more upfront, but a single toner cartridge lasts ages (and won't dry out or get used up in cleaning cycles), the printers are generally much more robust and longer lasting, and because laser printing isn't as patent-encumbered there's more actual competition and less outright user-hostile behavior.

I'm still rocking a Brother DCP-7060D from over a decade ago, using an aftermarket toner I bought from my university tech store.

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Post by lukas099 »

kerkeslager wrote: post #169
crazygringo wrote: post #97

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> Corporate fines just end up being passed on to workers No they don't, they get passed on to shareholders. The market cap of the company decreases by the amount of the fine (plus any predicted future effect of the lost money) and the stock price goes down to reflect that. If the company could get away with paying workers less or decreasing its workforce in order to boost profitability, it already would have. It's no…

> No they don't, they get passed on to shareholders. The market cap of the company decreases by the amount of the fine (plus any predicted future effect of the lost money) and the stock price goes down to reflect that. Ehh, if they have to, but execs are going to do their very best not to pass on costs to shareholders. Even if shareholders foot the bill, why would that be a desirable outcome? Are you arguing that we…

If the cash cow isn't going then the fines were successful. Plus share prices will drop because the business can no longer do the unethical thing.

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Post by scott_w »

8note wrote: post #341
crazygringo wrote: post #198

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> but execs are going to do their very best not to pass on costs to shareholders. But it's not up to execs, execs don't control the share price, no matter how much they wish they could. The market does. The market sees the fine, it adjusts the market cap, done. > Even if shareholders foot the bill, why would that be a desirable outcome? Because shareholders elected the board. That's the entire foundation of joint-sto…

What does a fine day about future growt, isn't the expectation of fines already priced in, so when it happens, the stock price should go up?

You make the fine bigger than the expected profit and now you have a negative growth factor built in. The incentive now exists to stop the fines.

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Post by twangist »

gameman144 wrote: post #51
mcny wrote: post #12

The CEO and the board must serve prison time for things like this. No measure less than prison for the CEO and all board members is enough to curtail this because it just becomes the cost of doing business. No, you can’t say it wasn’t your decision. If you want to not be held accountable for the work your employees, contractors, and agents do on your behalf, you should have to prove they acted against your express wr…

I don't think prison time is even what's needed here, I think these issues would resolve themselves if corporate fines were continually issued, rather than one-off lawsuits. For instance, a standing ruling that if your printer stops being able to print for no reason other than a contract breach, then the hardware is eligible for a refund. We don't need to put CEOs in prison for making consumer-hostile decisions, we j…

> We don't need to put CEOs in prison for making consumer-hostile decisions, we just need to also make those decisions bad business.

Maybe we don't need to, but let's.

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