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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

satvikpendem wrote: post #202
pavel_lishin wrote: post #167

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> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. You are working the same number of hours as before (40 ish) because companies are producing 10x as much goods in the same amount of time. If they produced only the same amount, ie 1x, you'd have your 2 hour work day (or more likely be out of a job). It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job…

Seen another way, you have to work more otherwise companies couldn't produce more stuff to sell you than before.

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Post by proamdev123 »

Calavar wrote: post #31
seumars wrote: post #6

>if you’re anxious about GPT4 its probably because you’re a shitty programmer surely this is meant partly tongue-in-cheek?

I experimented with coding with GPT a few times now. GPT is legitimately interesting as an alternative search interface to StackOverflow. I've found that 15 to 45 minutes of searching with Google/StackOverflow can be reduced to just 5 minutes with GPT. But beyond that, it's been very disappointing. Whenever I've tried getting it to write something even slightly non-trivial (i.e. tougher than just copy/pasting from on…

Have you tried prompting it with a detailed explanation of requirements?

I usually prompt it with short questions, but I recently saw a video where the person provided a lengthy (50 - 150 words) prompts detailing the requirements for what they were requesting. I was shocked at the results. (Still required iterations of corrections/modifications though)

I haven’t tried it myself yet, but it’s an avenue that might yield better results than what you’ve experienced — perhaps even vastly better results.

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Post by UncleMeat »

netbioserror wrote: post #86
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

The work that I find meaning and fulfillment in pays about 1/20th of what I get paid at my job, if it pays at all. I do my job because it allows me to allocate the most possible time to fulfilling work (through early retirement), when I can spend all of my time doing nourishing things like cooking for my family and raising children.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

satvikpendem wrote: post #202
pavel_lishin wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. You are working the same number of hours as before (40 ish) because companies are producing 10x as much goods in the same amount of time. If they produced only the same amount, ie 1x, you'd have your 2 hour work day (or more likely be out of a job). It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job…

>> It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job at all currently.

To whom would companies sell their stuff if nobody worked enough to earn money to buy their stuff?

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Post by mort96 »

pydry wrote: post #283
mort96 wrote: post #249

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> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? The extra value has gone to enrich the oligarchs rather than to the people. Maybe that should change.

How do you deprive an oligarch of their ill gotten wealth without violence?

There isn't really any non-violence. The common solution to depriving people of their ill-gotten wealth is state coercion under threat of violence. I don't know if that would work in the case of the 0.1%, but we surely can't limit ourselves to non-violent solutions for the ultra wealthy when we have no trouble with violent solutions for the less wealthy.

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Post by surgical_fire »

pixl97 wrote: post #348
surgical_fire wrote: post #206

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Well, I fully expect juniors in a few years to be somewhat familiar with AI assistants such as ChatGPT, much like they come with some familiarity with a programming language, an IDE, web search, etc. I see LLM models not as the end of society, just as new powerful productivity tools.

>I see LLM models not as the end of society, This is because you're used to normal technological development scaling. Unfortunately with AI we are unsure at this point if our old paradigms still apply. What happens with society really depends on where we are on the technology growth curve. If LLMs plateau for a while and we don't see significant growth in their abilities, then we'll just see pretty massive technologi…

That's because you're used to normal technological development hype. Every few years a shiny new toy enters the hype cycle, only to fall out of favor as things stop advancing as people expected.

LLMs are impressive at natural language processing (which is a damn hard problem to solve), and can both parse and generate natural language at a satisfactory level. It's an interesting facet of AI, but it also has some glaring limitations for wider use.

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Post by weatherlite »

richwater wrote: post #332
mort96 wrote: post #249

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> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? The extra value has gone to enrich the oligarchs rather than to the people. Maybe that should change.

Claiming society hasn't massively benefited from productivity increases over the last century is certainly a take.... typical western raised privileged person claiming how terrible everything is.

It's definitely slowing the last couple of decades and in some aspects - reversing. U.S life expectancy is one measurement confirming this. Depression / anxiety among teens is higher. And the last decade was pretty comfortable economically, it's going to get much much harder now.

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Post by jszymborski »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #167
logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure?

Not to be that guy, but income inequality in the US has continued to increase [0], so it's not that automation isn't making people richer, it's just that it isn't being distributed fairly. If it were, then perhaps we'd be closer to our two hour work days.

I think the automation of grocery store check-out is a great example of this sort of thing. Grocery store cashiers are busy spending their time worrying about their shifts getting cut in favour of self-checkout while grocery stores are profiteering (esp. in Canada) [1]. A more equitable system would have those profits lining the pockets of the same people who are now on reduced hours. Turns out that, like most people have realised by now, trick-down economics isn't really enough.

[0] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/galen-weston-l...

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