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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by reaperducer »

slowmotiony wrote: post #274
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. Recently i wanted to get a small mini-PC that would be energy efficient and I could run some AI experiments on. Reading online forums, everyone's like "just get a mac mini, couple hundred bucks and you're golden". I check the apple website and turns out they actually cost almost a thousand euro for the 16GB/256GB model. But its the same with a lot of other electronics to…

Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy

This has been true for Europe for a long time.

In the early 90's, I had a particular Sony Walkman that I was very fond of. I paid about US$100 for it.

A couple of months later, I accidentally left it on the plane as I was transferring in Paris. When I got to Vienna, I was delighted to discover that it was also available there, so I bought a replacement. I was not delighted to find out that it cost nearly double what I paid for it in the U.S.

There's something about Europe and electronics that always seems to equal higher prices. It's been going on for at least a half a century.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by hbn »

GoToRO wrote: post #13
GeekyBear wrote: post #5

Given the state of the PC market it would be shocking if Mac sales were not also affected. >The PC market has experienced its largest decline ever, according to analyst Gartner. Preliminary results by Gartner shows that worldwide PC shipments totalled 65.3 million units in the fourth quarter of 2022, a 28.5% decrease from the fourth quarter of 2021. https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252529126/PC-industry-se...

People forgot that everybody bought computers in order to attend online classes and wfh?

Not to mention the covid money given out that wasn't enough for most people to pay rent but was enough to buy yourself a nice new computer.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by geodel »

oblio wrote: post #291
rayiner wrote: post #249

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No European country (UK excepted) has an “immigrant culture.” In recent decades, some European countries have accepted large numbers of immigrants. But as far as I can tell, they’ve even relegated to an economically disadvantaged underclass in every one of those countries. They’re not buying Apple products. For example, average income for Turks in Germany (a group that started immigrating in the 1970s) is estimated t…

Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups? What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Heck, what are the statistics for Vietnamese Germans? The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening.

> What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans?

Maybe find and share, if you looking to refute the point.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by reaperducer »

varispeed wrote: post #360
fastaguy88 wrote: post #344

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They should have said: "Just get a used Mac Mini". You can literally get them from macsales.com for less than $100. The intel machines have not gotten much faster, but their prices have dropped dramatically.

You can't. There is only 1 Mac Mini available with M1 CPU and it only has 8GB RAM - that's for $499 and if you add shipping to Europe and tax, probably it will work out closer to $1000 than $499.

You can't.

There is only 1 Mac Mini available with M1 CPU

He stated specifically Intel machines. The M1 isn't an Intel processor.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by slowmotiony »

airstrike wrote: post #377
varispeed wrote: post #360

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You can't. There is only 1 Mac Mini available with M1 CPU and it only has 8GB RAM - that's for $499 and if you add shipping to Europe and tax, probably it will work out closer to $1000 than $499.

Ain't no way shipping and taxes equal 100% of the product's price

Why? Shipping, VAT and all the customs fees will easily double the price of the product by the time it reaches your door.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by dividedbyzero »

victorbstan wrote: post #279
wasyl wrote: post #132

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4 years ago I bought a maxed out (except storage) MBP 15" for ~3.5k EUR. A similarly specced machine now is 4.7k EUR, and a maxed out (except storage) one is 5.2k EUR. I'd really want to upgrade to a machine with M chip but with current prices I can't reasonably justify that. Instead, I got a PC with 8c/16t Ryzen with similar performance in my workload for fraction of the price, and simply use the MBP only when neede…

Agree with this sentiment. Many years ago I bought a maxed out MacBook Pro for about ~ $3000 CAD and now the prices go up to ~ $6000. Technology is supposed to get better and cheaper over time. They really are trying to squeeze every cent out of consumers they can. There’s also another side to it. I think a big “buyer” of apple hardware were startups and tech companies that were providing these machines to their empl…

Not just startups and tech companies, lots of boring non-tech enterprises offer Macs too for technical roles because you lose out on good candidates if you can't offer Macs. This side of the pond (Europe) those are also way more likely to allow employees to upgrade after a few years.

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Post by layer8 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #69
KptMarchewa wrote: post #55

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>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

I’m still running Windows on a PC with just 8 GB without any trouble. Of course I don’t do 4K video editing or similar.

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Post by dagmx »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> A culture that’s always willing to accommodate new people

What America are you talking about? Immigration to the USA has always been hard and a very contentious topic.

The previous president was largely voted in on his anti immigrant policy (both for legal and illegal immigration). We’re still undoing his damage to the immigration system today.

Prior to that, America has had a very fraught history with immigrants and abuse.

It’s not a culture that’s willing to accommodate new people. It’s a capitalist machine that sees new people as valuable buyers and workers.

Immigrants have always been treated as a form of cheap labor to import. Whether that was the boom of Italians or Chinese or Mexicans in the past. Then they’re immediately vilified after the work is done.

I think what the culture has in difference to others is valuing the results of capitalism more than anything else.

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Post by prottog »

TMWNN wrote: post #148
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

>This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. I figured out a while ago that anyone who mentions the "petrodollar" in a geopolitical context knows knothing about geopolitics. Bonus idiocy points if "BRICS" is mentioned in a way that implies any kind of formal collectivity, as opposed to a catchy nickname Go…

> anyone who mentions the "petrodollar" in a geopolitical context knows knothing about geopolitics

I'm curious about this. The petrodollar is clearly a real phenomenon and policy decision. You might say that it's the replacement for when the dollar was backed by gold; instead of being convertible into gold, it's now the currency that's de facto required to purchase oil (which is basically liquid gold), as well as being the currency of the world's foremost military that protects the trade of oil.

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