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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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"Never" is a long time. Given the explanations I've been given for why demonstration videos of general purpose vision-based robots are still often sped up x4 or more (despite Tesla and Spot), I have to assume it's at least a few years away yet, but that's not never.

Even if legally you're not culpable, you're still responsible for choosing to use a death machine in an environment where it can cause harm to others.

Are you arguing against human drivers there, or against cars in general?

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Even if legally you're not culpable, you're still responsible for choosing to use a death machine in an environment where it can cause harm to others.

Are you arguing against human drivers there, or against cars in general?

Against personal cars in cities

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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The while we're at it, let's get rid of the rest of the Bill of Rights, is terrifying.

There are countries freer than the USA where the government reserves the right to severely restrict speech and even criminalize some forms of political speech, if it serves the public interest. If you express Nazi views in Germany, for instance, you go to jail. Guess what -- Germany hasn't had to deal with a Nazi problem significant enough to turn into a real political movement in nearly 80 years. The USA, by contras…

> There are countries freer than the USA where the government reserves the right to severely restrict speech and even criminalize some forms of political speech

No, there aren't.

> the first amendment, as currently formulated, really needs to go

That's the first thing the Nazis did, as well as Mussolini, and every other repressive government. Without free speech, the rest of your rights go down the drain.

If Ginsburg advocated getting rid of free speech, I'd like to see a cite from you about that.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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That last paragraph... why should employers go from being a health insurance broker to a child care broker?

Because it requires physical facilities and it benefits from proximity to one's workplace. I don't necessarily think this is appropriate either, but it's the only tiny grain of hope for getting "conservatives" to go along with it. You have to make it an issue of, hey, if you're so desperate to pump out babies, you have to give people a way to do so and still work.

"...if you're so desperate to pump out babies, you have to give people a way to do so and still work."

Yeah, I don't think they feel that way.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Cars are getting so big that people can’t drive them. An indescribably sad statistic: In the US, a parent drives over and kills their kid in the driveway every other day [1]. All the guns also cause -a bunch of— some small kids to kill their siblings every year. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52109

> Cars are getting so big that people can’t drive them. While controversial because car companies in the US intentionally chose to market large SUVs to the public, there is some evidence that smaller vehicles are safer and that auto manufacturers have doubled down on unsafe vehicles. Why this is the case, isn’t exactly known, but one of the theories is that bad drivers will get behind bigger cars and take more risks.…

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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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There are countries freer than the USA where the government reserves the right to severely restrict speech and even criminalize some forms of political speech, if it serves the public interest. If you express Nazi views in Germany, for instance, you go to jail. Guess what -- Germany hasn't had to deal with a Nazi problem significant enough to turn into a real political movement in nearly 80 years. The USA, by contras…

> There are countries freer than the USA where the government reserves the right to severely restrict speech and even criminalize some forms of political speech No, there aren't. > the first amendment, as currently formulated, really needs to go That's the first thing the Nazis did, as well as Mussolini, and every other repressive government. Without free speech, the rest of your rights go down the drain. If Ginsburg…

When Ginsburg was interviewed on Al-Hayat TV in 2012 about where the new Egyptian government should look for inspiration, she cited the South African constitution, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the European Council on Human Rights positively and said "I would not look to the U.S. Constitution" as a model for establishing a new state:

https://africasacountry.com/2012/02/ruthbaderginsburg/

On the matter of free speech, note that the South African and Canadian constitutions, and the ECHR, all protect freedom of expression exclude hate speech as protected speech. It is VERY much in line with modern statecraft to do so, and the doctrinaire approach of the First Amendment (only established in 1969, by the way, before which the USA implemented speech restrictions not dissimilar from those seen elsewhere) is the outlier here. Also note that getting rid of the First Amendment is not getting rid of freedom of expression.

Granted, her position was not even as radical as mine, which is that we must rethink the constitution from the ground up and implement a new form of government more resistant to corruption, again drawing from examples of more modern statecraft -- a multiparty parliamentary system, for instance. All she was saying was that new governments should look elsewhere for a template.

Ginsburg's views that the U.S. constitution is the supreme law of the land, and must be hewed closely to and not played fast and loose with for as long as it is active, were congruent with mine.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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...I wouldn't choose that car to drive 4 adults daily. Is this a typical thing that cars do? I'm not sure if I've seen 4 adults in a car in the last month.

Before the plague forced pervasive WFH, this was every Friday when a bunch of us would pick somewhere for lunch and all pile into the fewest cars needed.

A long time ago I worked in an office like that. I usually biked to commute, so when we had one more person going than cars going to lunch, I just biked to the restaurant as well. Otherwise, I rode in someone's car. Still, none of the drivers did this "daily". Neither this nor sibling comment describe a "daily" situation. If you need a big sedan once a month and big SUV twice a year, just rent at those times and drive something more practical the rest of the year.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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blackpool is the jersey shore of england?

Is Jersey Shore full of bright orange people in cheap "fast fashion" clothing trying to pretend they're on roughly ten times as much money as they really make, who make a big show of ordering "expensive" vodka and flash their platinum credit card around as they chop their 30 quid bag of coke? Then having thoroughly spoiled the weekend for everyone else, they'll pile into their idiotic loud car that they can't really…

why, yes

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Because it requires physical facilities and it benefits from proximity to one's workplace. I don't necessarily think this is appropriate either, but it's the only tiny grain of hope for getting "conservatives" to go along with it. You have to make it an issue of, hey, if you're so desperate to pump out babies, you have to give people a way to do so and still work.

"...if you're so desperate to pump out babies, you have to give people a way to do so and still work." Yeah, I don't think they feel that way.

I don't think they believe in "the sanctity of life," either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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