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Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by ranger207 »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #67
creshal wrote: post #29

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The whole point of a distribution is that this job is done by the distributors, not the authors.

Hot take: package distributors are 'fake jobs' that don't need to exist, or exist only for the make-work of packaging. Tools like flatpak, snap, appimage, containerization, etc. have made the need for adapting software to different distributions unnecessary.

I agree. Devs would like to statically link and have their app work. Maintainers don't want that to happen for IMO reasons that have far less benefit than claimed. flatpak and snap are ultimately efforts to get around the vortex of maintainers, maintainer efforts to get things not to be statically linked, and all the complexity that entails. I think there's still currently value in distro maintainers that do things like getting KDE running on Wayland using pipewire, but IMO that role should be limited to configuration and compilation only. There should not be any distro-specific patches in existence

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Post by gmassman »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #388
friend_and_foe wrote: post #263

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

I have meager needs so I haven't run into (m)any of the issues here, but what's a deb based alternative that isn't meant for absolute stability at the expense of anything modern? (I ask with actual curiosity; I'm ignorant to most distros.)

FWIW I’ve been using Linux Mint for years and have never had a major issue. Most minor issues are with out of date repository packages which can usually be installed by other means.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by denton-scratch »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #388
friend_and_foe wrote: post #263

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

I have meager needs so I haven't run into (m)any of the issues here, but what's a deb based alternative that isn't meant for absolute stability at the expense of anything modern? (I ask with actual curiosity; I'm ignorant to most distros.)

Sid?

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by jrsj »

thomasvm wrote: post #247

So, for a developer, what's currently the best hassle-free desktop Linux Distribution?

EndeavourOS is the easiest way to use Arch imo, its a pretty painless installation and gives you a working desktop environment out of the box & seems to be pretty good at detecting hardware and installing drivers too.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by m4rtink »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #264
Steltek wrote: post #230

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What's the base image for the containers? Do none of your Dockerfiles have apk or apt commands?

It's best practice not to have any shell tools in your app container, including package managers. It bloats the image and can be a security vulnerability if a zero day exploit hits the app. Ideally a container is something like distroless which just has the libc and dependencies you care about and nothing else, not even bash.

Wouldn't something like that be really hard to debug in real world scenarios ?

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Post by account42 »

lucideer wrote: post #66
bayesian_horse wrote: post #13

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What you are really saying is you want all software developers to publish Debian packages (no such thing as "apt" packages) compatible with your particular Debian distribution, even though they might be using a different Debian based distribution, a completely different altogether, maybe even a different architecture, even though that compatibility isn't their primary concern.

I take your point (it's the general point many use to argue for Snap/Flatpak/Nix/AppImage/0install/Homebrew/&c.) but if you want to ensure you're not replacing per-distro-package-manager-fragmentation with completely-arbitrary-chaotic-package-manager-fragmentation there needs to be some unity & consideration for what users want in order to ensure they'll willingly subscribe to your system of choice. While I wouldn't…

> (Snap) may be the most used by virtue of being rammed down user's throats by projects with existing user capture (e.g. LetsEncrypt)

Care to expand on this? I'm not in Ubuntu-land but can't imagine how a service with an open protocol and multiple clients forces you onto Snap.

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Post by ehecatl42 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #260
CalRobert wrote: post #165

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Snaps are getting me off Desktop Ubuntu after 12 years of happily using it.

I switched to pop OS (after a brief stint with an arch distro) and have never been happier.

Pop really is a very pleasant experience, and probably the best I've had on a personal computer. 3/4 of my immediate family run it on Thinkpads; the only hold-out is a Gentoo teenager wanting to be "weird".

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

7speter wrote: post #322
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #304

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What wifi chip are you using? Debian by default has no unfree wifi drivers included, so that can cause issues with them. If you have a good wifi adapter by a vendor that pushes drivers upstream like Mediatek, it should work just fine out of the box.

Would using debian non free address this?

I presume so, but I wouldn't know because I haven't ever tried.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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Post by webkike »

eYrKEC2 wrote: post #390
friend_and_foe wrote: post #263

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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

Call me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.

I haven't had trouble with drivers using Fedora in years. RPM fusion handles Nvidia drivers just fine. It's a far cleaner and "noob friendly" distro in my opinion, so long as you're able to google "how to install nvidia drivers fedora"
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