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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by greggsy »

KeepingItToasty wrote: post #18

Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

A standardised laptop GPU connector could be a game changer and would be a killer feature. There have been a few false starts in that space with MXM, but they never really took off.

It’s often the first thing people upgrade on a desktop (it’s much more impactful than a RAM and CPU upgrade over the same timeframe), but is rarely an option for laptop users.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by sedatk »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #46
rejectfinite wrote: post #39

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Already a thing? And is hardware the limiting thing here? Not the terrible arm OSes? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/lenovo-announces-the...

Arm on linux works pretty well.

ARM on Windows works great too. I don't know what they're talking about.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by tomnipotent »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #346
squarefoot wrote: post #309

"We’ve partnered with Cooler Master to create an awesome new way to re-use your Framework Laptop Mainboards: a transparent, small form factor case. This will be available this Spring for $39 USD." This is the way. More vendors should do that. A huge load of obsolete but perfectly working laptop mainboards could be repurposed to other uses. Need a small system to set up a service on a LAN but don't want to feed scalpe…

I mean, can't you just use the laptop? I see the value proposition that this has in the particular case of Framework where you update certain parts, but the vast majority of laptops cannot have any change beside the RAM (if you're lucky) and the storage (same). So in those situations, the best PC case is the one you already have: the laptop.

> I mean, can't you just use the laptop?

The idea is that you have a spare mainboard laying around if you've upgraded. A cheap $40 case is a great way of putting that hardware to use.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by INTPenis »

0x49d1 wrote: post #376
INTPenis wrote: post #370

I hope these guys hang in there for the long haul. Because right now it seems to be for enthusiasts since there is only US keyboard and expected shipping i Q3. I'm happy with my current laptop but at some point I'm going to need a new one so it feels great that there are so many amazing options out there. I just hope that at some point when I need that new laptop I'll be able to order one within a few weeks and my la…

They already shipped 2 generations of mainboards and more or less everything is really fine. They have good support + upgradability (former Thinkpad user, took Framework with 32RAM, but in the process realized that I need 64 -> not a problem at all), had 0 problems with drivers on Windows 11(but had some on Linux Mint). As about keyboard: just buy transparent stickers with your language, no need to wait for them to p…

Oh I know about framework, I'm looking forward to owning one.

But stickers are not a viable solution. Even though I've been typing on keyboards since the 80s, and placed in top 10 on typeracer ;) I still want actual keys and not stickers that will be worn out within months.

And delivery in "Q3" is also not a good situation. That means people who are buying these already have a laptop that works. I generally don't want to own that many devices that I don't use.

So I'm really looking forward to a time when framework laptops are treated just like any other Dell or Lenovo.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by schmorptron »

starkparker wrote: post #217
schmorptron wrote: post #185

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Did you DIY that arcade cabinet? If so, know of any good guides / did you use one when building it?

Didn't use a guide, it's a bog-standard Arcade1Up conversion. A couple years ago I looked up a display driver board providing an HDMI input to the stock display and bought a $50 Amazon-sourced EG STARTS-brand cheapo kit of sticks and buttons with USB encoders. They were drop-in replacements for the stock deck's buttons and sticks. The emulator driver right now is just a 6th-gen i5 HP EliteDesk Mini fleet-salvaged wor…

Oh cool, thanks for the info!

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by whitehexagon »

genocidicbunny wrote: post #119
whitehexagon wrote: post #58

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Matte display yay! I missed that a lot on the MBP. Seems like they still want to bundle a windows license, I never understand this, do MS pay OEMs to do this?

If you pick the DIY option, you can omit the Windows license. You'll have to install Linux yourself, but that doesn't seem like a terribly difficult task for someone already going with the DIY option. I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro, and offering support for multiple distros is probably a bit outside their wheelhouse at the moment. [e: this is perhaps not the case]

So how about 'No OS preinstalled' option? and allow customers to chose if they want to pay the MS tax or not. Maybe they are not allowed to offer this option?

Including any linux distro would be better, because it would show a growing linux desktop market share.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by schmorptron »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #52
dmayle wrote: post #5

When the Framework came out, I was excited, but not in the market for a laptop. I've been waiting for the chance to buy one, especially as they announced more and more things that I'm interested in. Now that I'm finally in the market, I was waiting eagerly for this new announcement. The only question I'm left with now, which Framework to get? Do I pre-order the AMD 7040, or do I wait for the new 16 so that I can get…

The AMD 7040 series is gonna be amazing. They even have an NPU which (theoretically) should run models reasonably well without a dGPU, M1 style... but we will see how that shapes up. The 16" will provably perform better though, if you can wait.

Have AMD said anything about whether the NPU will be OK for a little bit of training as well, or just inference?

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by JoshStrobl »

nrp wrote: post #321
Haegin wrote: post #318

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I'd love someone to do a split ortholinear keyboard on a laptop. That'd probably push it to instant buy for me almost regardless of the rest of the specs etc.

Split ortholinear is possible. We didn't show this, but it is technically possible to build an Input Module for the Framework Laptop 16 that is full width, giving a lot of horizontal real estate for a split layout.

Please do an ortho or split ortho layout. I get that it'd be low volume but I'd be willing to pay a premium if it meant being able to keep my Helidox Corne at home while I travel or go into the office, without sacrificing ergonomics.

Looking forward to purchasing the 16 regardless though. Keep up the amazing work / mission with Framework. Fantastic work to the team.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by Kostic »

dymk wrote: post #312
starkparker wrote: post #171

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There's no retail way to try a Framework. This might not help you, but I've got a 13" MBP and 13" Framework both in my lap right now and can say if you absolutely can't stand having a laptop that doesn't meet Apple hardware fit and finish, just stick with Apple. The Framework's my daily driver, it's nice but not exceptional, and feels like the $1,000 laptop it is. The value for me is entirely inside of it. This work-…

I've never had a mac last less than 4 years, and the ones > 4 years old just become my backups. I doubt Framework laptops will find themselves with similar lifespans.

Honest question, why do you think that Framework will have smaller lifespan? I have a bunch of working Thinkpads that are approaching the 10-year mark and I imagine that Framework should be even more durable as it's easier to repair and modify.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by 112233 »

nrp wrote: post #300
pmontra wrote: post #289

I wonder what's the width of the 16" version. Too bad that input configurability doesn't extend to the touchpad. I would love to be able to pick one with three physical buttons. Well, at least I could have a laptop without the numberpad.

While we didn’t show a Touchpad module alternative, the Touchpad module does slide off, making alternatives technically possible. We’ll share documentation around this module as well soon.

Would it be realistic to make Selnsel Morph that covered most of the input surface (keyboard and touchpad)? Now that Sensel has pivoted and abandoned the Morph, I have no idea what corporate handshaking would be necessary to produce additional units, but a large expensive touch surface that can be used either as a horrible keyboard or a MPE controller by swapping stencils could turn a lot of musicians heads
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