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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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And navigating a software menu (which changes at random times when it updates itself) just to open the fucking glove compartment. What was wrong with a physical latch?

It allows you to lock it with a pin. I don't want to carry keys.

Right, because the person that broke into your car is not going to just going to rip it open with a crowbar?

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I almost didn't buy a Tesla because of my concerns over the lack of controls, but turns out that while driving, it's rarely if ever necessary to touch the screen, because there's voice commands for everything (navigate to X, climate control off, etc). Plus often you don't need to do anything at all: the lights switch on automatically if it's dark, the windshield wipers activate automatically if there's moisture, etc.…

>>because there's voice commands for everything Ah yes, the only other control method that manages to be worse than touchscreens. It works well if you speak absolutely perfect english, but for those of us for whom English isn't our first spoken language, you can kiss voice controls goodbye. Just a complete pile of trash, and incredibly frustrating when the car repeatedly misunderstands you.

You mean perfect American English right?

Voice control goofs with my South African accent all the time...

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Both buttons and touchscreens have a place in a car... especially ergonomic buttons in just the right place and a well made touchscreen gui.

All the things that the driver might ever do during driving (blinkers, lights, radio, ac,...) should always be controlled by a physical button, that is easy to find by touch only, even in the dark.

On the other hand, reseting TPMS (air pressure system) sensors, looking at service history, internal error display, setting "welcome home" interval (delay with turning the lights off when parking), etc, are much easier done on a touchscreen with a nice menu with all the settings.

Somehow car manufacturers like the extremes... either you use a touchscreen to turn on the ac, with a few popups first, maybe even an autoplaying ad before you can change the temperature... or you have to press six random buttons at the same time and count the number of blinks of a random led on the dashboard to navigate the "menu" to change a not-everyday setting on the car.

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Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

Cool, and if you have a strong accent then what?

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The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

I really want an option like this Enable [ X ] Audio [ ] Phone Calls Because I never, not one single time, wanted a phone call to blast over my car audio. Not once. I can't be the only one that has wanted the car to be a speakerphone exactly 0 times. Heck maybe someone is the opposite. They love terrestrial radio or their CD collection and also the speakerphone feature. Give people options.

Every Toyota I’ve driven has this option. I agree, it’s quite nice.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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For many of these UI designers the inspiration for a physical buttonless control panel might have come from the famous Steve Jobs iPhone launch keynote. In that speech he convinced the world why having physical buttons is a bad design choice. Obviously he was talking about just phones.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Did you have to buy a new cover when the buttons moved?

No: just inflate the top layer of the screen as the same place as the button below (see https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/a-keyboard-that-rises-up-fr... for more).

I mean that is cool, but afaik literally no one has ever done this in an automotive product. Probably because this flexible screen would turn crap after 10 years of non-stop inflating/deflating, or wouldn't operate in conditions that cars actually exist in(-30C/+40C operating temperatures are standard for automotive screens, as soon as you add any kind of flexible plastic you definitely lose that).

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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I own a Hyundai Tucson 2020 and it's your basic family vehicle with a lot of small quirks but no big issue. It doesn't accelerate fast enough, the passenger door locks behave inconsistently, and Android auto occasionally doesn't work, etc. But overall I think it's solid car so I bought it when the lease ends. After all nowadays it takes too long to get a car and interest rate is approaching 7% - too scary.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Both buttons and touchscreens have a place in a car... especially ergonomic buttons in just the right place and a well made touchscreen gui. All the things that the driver might ever do during driving (blinkers, lights, radio, ac,...) should always be controlled by a physical button, that is easy to find by touch only, even in the dark. On the other hand, reseting TPMS (air pressure system) sensors, looking at servic…

IMHO, it has everything to do with old-school executives absolutely beside themselves that the expert labor they should be hiring (for UI/UX) requires wages several times higher than their line workers.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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No: just inflate the top layer of the screen as the same place as the button below (see https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/a-keyboard-that-rises-up-fr... for more).

I mean that is cool, but afaik literally no one has ever done this in an automotive product. Probably because this flexible screen would turn crap after 10 years of non-stop inflating/deflating, or wouldn't operate in conditions that cars actually exist in(-30C/+40C operating temperatures are standard for automotive screens, as soon as you add any kind of flexible plastic you definitely lose that).

A slightly sarcastic “just” on my part, haha. Considering that the original idea (also a later project GelTouch[1]) never lead as far as I’m aware to any shipping products, I doubt they thought about specific automotive needs.

[1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2807442.2807487

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