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Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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By whatever mechanism the OS has to verify that you have the privilege. E.g. sudo. Not by raising a plethora of hurdles.

An admin password prompt is hardly a deterrence to people doing stupid things. A young physics PhD friend of mine fell victim to a tech support scam, happily installing whatever spyware “Apple Support” told her to install over phone. That was a few years ago. The average person is too easily social engineered into allowing anything.

> The average person is too easily social engineered into allowing anything.

How many "average" users you know who use sudo? At some point, the software needs to acknowledge users who are saying "I know what I'm doing and the risks, just let me do it" i.e. sudo.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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By whatever mechanism the OS has to verify that you have the privilege. E.g. sudo. Not by raising a plethora of hurdles.

An admin check tells the OS that you are an admin, not that you know what the software does and that you are ok with CoolWallpapers logging all inputs.

It also tells the OS that I have root privilege and I should know what to do with that power, not babysit me.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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"75 year project" seems to suggest that he's been working on it for 75 years - is that correct?

He's counting it from when he first started saving to get his first reel to reel tape recorder.

Got it. Ok, let's use that. Better late than never. Thanks!

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I was using a combination of windows/linux for a while until my archlinux laptop shit the bed after an update and I decided to say, fuck it, I'm finally buying a macbook because at least then I can still do unix shit without having to worry about everything working the next day. I'm not happy about "Apple Silicon", it does feel restrictive and often times the only way to get around it is to use licensed VMs, which fe…

I would love to know more about what you mean by 'archlinux shit the bed'. If you dont remember the exact error code, any text from the error screen, or even vague description is fine.

I believe that spending 15mins on the arch forums or IRC would probably result in somebody helping you out with the right pacman incantation. YMMV, my personal experience.

On a tangent, I would love to hear more about any Debian stable users out there and their experience with the conservative approach to updating. I am particularly fond of this Debian wiki article on DontBreakDebian: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Developers are really lazy. We have terms like DX and UX. It’s not a false dichotomy at all.

> Developers are really lazy. Speak for yourself. > We have terms like DX and UX. It’s not a false dichotomy at all. It's still a false dichotomy, because they're not necessarily opposed. Making the native Mac software DX worse can also make the UX worse, and making the DX better can make the UX better. When I said "Eventually everything on the Mac will just be a cross-platform afterthought", I meant that the UX is b…

Lazy in this context doesn't mean “lacks work ethic”. You might be unfamiliar with the Gates quote. Point is devs often whine when they have to take the scenic route even if it’s safer for the user.

Anyway, I’m not saying they’re at odds and you can only pick one. So we seem to agree. I’m saying devs should be applauding better security and not whining about the transition away from user-domain security which is kinda what is implied in the OP. We should be whining about not having access to to the system in ways we need. Better security needs to accommodate valid use cases not stifle creativity. We probably also agree there.

Opining Linux because it’s still the wild west of software and you can do shit like zip up the user’s browser history, logins, and cookies, or idk dump entire hardware profiles without any user interaction, or prompt the user to install a new boot loader or drop your rootkit into initrd because your program “just needs their password to update” is just that.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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JUKEBOX MUSIC COLLECTION

Computer: You're also collecting music?

Thompson: It's kind of a personal/research hobby/project. Let me explain it from an external point of view. Basically, I'm just collecting music. I'm getting lists from various sources—top 10s, top 50s—and I try to collect the music.

Right now, my list has around 35,000 songs, of which I've collected around 20,000. I compress the songs with a Bell Labs-invented algorithm called PAC [Perceptual Audio Coding] and store them on a jukebox storage system. I started this before MP3 was heard of on the network. PAC is vastly superior to MP3.

My collection is not generally available because of the legal aspects. I went to legal and told them I was collecting a lot of music, but I don't think they realized what I meant by "a lot." Anyway, they said that in the case of research there's something similar to fair use and that they'd back me, but wouldn't go to jail for me. So I can't release it generally. But it's pretty impressive. It's split-screen like a Web browser; you can walk down lists, years, or weeks.

Computer: It's a personal hobby.

Thompson: It's hard to differentiate since, if you haven't noticed, almost everything I've done is personal interest. Almost everything I've done has been supported and I'm allowed to do it, but it's always been on the edge of what's acceptable for computer science at the time. Even Unix was right on the edge of what was acceptable at Bell Labs at the time. That's almost been my history.

Source: http://genius.cat-v.org/ken-thompson/interviews/unix-and-bey...

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