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I’d be just as skeptical. It’s something that would require strong evidence and I’m providing you none. I’ll be around on HN in five years. Ask me then.
If it's real, you might as well tell everyone and I'll hear about it that way - I am certain you'll be very popular.
Isn't this patently obvious that dropping the SAT is entirely about creating pretext for continued discrimination against Asian applicants? In 1996, California repealed affirmative action via Prop 209. At the UC Berkeley and UCLA, considered the 'best' of the UC system, Asians represented 25-30% of the student base. Studies and fear-mongering at the time showed that a repeal of affirmative action would imply that Asi…
I'm white, my wife is Asian, our kids will be applying to university over the next couple of years. We've started to have the conversation about which race they will check off on the application. I'm coming to the conclusion that they have to just check white, as this means they will face less discrimination than if they check Asian. This makes me very uncomfortable, and also just seems absurd.
They say that they don't discriminate, but it's an absolute lie.
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I'm experiencing this first hand. My family immigrated here from Bangladesh. Unlike much of my family, my dad had a college-degree required job lined up, and we ended up pretty comfortable with him on a GS-scale job and my mom selling furniture. Thanks to the SATs, my brother and I both ended up breaking into industries (banking, law) that until relatively recently were good old boy's clubs. Now that I have kids at i…
> But if I was a recent immigrant, or a lower middle class kid in Iowa, I'd be pretty outraged about this. It may be worth mentioning that one of the, if not the , most powerful IP lawyers in the Bay Area is “only” a University of Iowa Law School grad. https://www.quinnemanuel.com/attorneys/verhoeven-charles-k/#...
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This assumes that the rich kid rate is accurate and what’s missing is parallel accommodations for poorer kids. But what about if instead the elevated rate is a result of fraud? In other areas of life (e.g. service animals and medical pot) it’s pretty clear that there are medical professionals out there are selling their letterhead to the highest bidder. Why should we believe that’s not happening here?
Why should you believe that it is "happening here"? Let alone at a significant rate. Why is this wild conjecture worth a discussion? Give me a break. As a clinician that evaluates disabilities, it is very difficult to fake one. They tend to be diagnosed at an early age, and not at "test time" in high school. In fact, as a person ages they are much less likely to receive a diagnosis. There has to be early-age evidence…
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/h...
It's not a "wild conjecture".
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> Have you ever met kids who aren't good at studying? Do you think they somehow get their shit together just for this one test, because they read somewhere that it's judged fairly and a great investment of time? Teenagers will somehow know that 20 hours, that's where Jensson's return curve breaks? I was one of those kids. I never had a stable home, I have 5 siblings with many parents, I moved between different parent…
Yes, but do you think that's what normally happens? I would suggest that what normally happens in your situation is that no studying gets done and you bomb the test. I also know people who've been in your situation, and that's what I see more often than not. I can understand if you think that's what the SATs are for though, a kind of lifeline for kids in bad situations. I just have reservations about it actually work…
The main effect of removing it is that disenfranchised smart kids don't get into college, replaced by dumb kids with stable homes who spent a ton of time studying yet were too dumb to score well on SAT. Colleges are already full of such kids, and so is the job market, we don't need more of them.
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I'm white, my wife is Asian, our kids will be applying to university over the next couple of years. We've started to have the conversation about which race they will check off on the application. I'm coming to the conclusion that they have to just check white, as this means they will face less discrimination than if they check Asian. This makes me very uncomfortable, and also just seems absurd.
Let me put your concerns to rest… There are no elite schools that systematically discriminate against Asians. Zero. None. Let me add a few points that counter some folks who think that schools do discriminate against Asians: - Some schools do give preferential treatment to Black and Latino/an applicants. This is not a particularly good look for the schools, imho, but it’s the reality. This is not the same as discrimi…
That being said, I support whatever helps empower the diminished classes and helps quash the undeserved power of those born into money. …And in that case, the SAT might make a lot of sense now that I think of it.
Even if your teenage years were a quagmire and you have no grades to show for it, a single test can still open you up to academic opportunities.
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Here in India, we have quotas for different kinds of people. There's caste based, Gender based and finally EWS (Economically Weaker Section) Quota. Overall 60% of total seats are reserved for these people. My friend who's ultra rich was selected in EWS Quota. His father who runs his own company took Zero pay for the last two years so he qualified for the benefits. Meanwhile people who actually deserved this had to co…
That sounds like it was designed to be easy to game; income in last two years as a metric rather than total assets, or zip code, or high school attended etc Does India have something like SAT as well?
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> If they are so qualified, why not let them compete on the even ground There's not enough room for all the qualified applicants. Choosing based on family is less fair than a lottery but it's not like a lottery is very good either.
A legacy with a B grade candidate will get in. It’s a boost, not a tie breaker.
This system doesn’t really exist in Canada so I’m finding it very interesting
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Here in India, we have quotas for different kinds of people. There's caste based, Gender based and finally EWS (Economically Weaker Section) Quota. Overall 60% of total seats are reserved for these people. My friend who's ultra rich was selected in EWS Quota. His father who runs his own company took Zero pay for the last two years so he qualified for the benefits. Meanwhile people who actually deserved this had to co…
> you can't just give preference based on income as its incredibly easy to fudge That's why you have to look at total wealth, not just income... though I'm sure the ultra wealthy will find some way to work around that as well.