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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t need to admit anything. You can read into anything as disingenuously as you like, and go rant off into corners; but you’d get equally far yelling at a wall. Yet you decided to reply back and evaded answering my question. By doing that not only you indirectly admitted it, you already know that not 'everything' is working and anyone can check that for themselves. > OP claimed that all of the hardware they tes…

Repeating your disingenuous and misdirected points ad infinitum is the definition of talking to a wall. Go do it, it’s a better use of your time and infinitely less annoying to the rest of society.

> Repeating your disingenuous and misdirected points ad infinitum is the definition of talking to a wall.

Says the one still replying here and cannot answer a basic question about the obvious falsehood being claimed by the OP.

Assuming you have read the links in my previous comment and in [0] and especially about feature support, you do already know that not everything is supported or even functioning properly? Yes or No?

> Go do it, it’s a better use of your time and infinitely less annoying to the rest of society.

Surely you can think of a better response that actually answers my question about proper Apple Silicon support rather than dodging again since you're having a difficult time giving a straight answer.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35018387

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

#392

I don't get the hype around apple silicon for desktop computers. I sort of understand the power efficiency argument for laptops (although it is often overstated IMO, I could work for >10h straight with my X1 carbon 6 years ago), but for Desktop it is trivial to build a PC that runs significantly faster, with much more upgradability and flexibility for a fraction of the price. So if I want performance on a Linux syste…

> So if I want performance on a Linux system why would I choose Apple silicon?

Power draw for one; it applies to desktop PCs as well. Electricity isn't always cheap.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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post #385

Is anything interesting happening for non-Apple desktop/laptop Arm? At the moment building for aarch64 pretty much means embedded, Mac users on the team, or Graviton/other Arm servers. Are we going to reach a point where there's a meaningful mix of architectures, but it doesn't point to the brand of device? Of course Apple will continue with only one thing, but that Lenovo might have options from Arm licensees as wel…

I use a thinkpad x13s and i’m happy with it

Oh I didn't realise they existed! Nice. Performance/specs-wise, I haven't looked in-depth, but seems they compete more with iPads/other tablets + keyboard cases than with Macbook Pros/x86 options in that class and price point though?

Thanks though, seems promising. I've been interested in Asahi since I first saw it here, but I can't help wondering if long-term the better buy might not be a ThinkPad, Framework or whatever that only ever expected (Windows or) Linux. (The Framework has probably been enough to quash the draw of Mac hardware/build quality but Linux for me.)

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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I like the idea behind trackpoint, but I just can't get used to it. Any tips?

Force yourself to use it exclusively for a while, no cheating. For better (it's great) AND worse (you have fewer options for laptops), there's no going back after that. I love it and even use Trackpoint with my desktop computer.

Are there any hot-swappaple mechanical keyboards with a trackpoint? The only mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint I can find is the Tex Yoda II, which isn't hot-swappaple, and is also very expensive.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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post #300

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

A ferrari with square wheels, that is a good one. A UNIX descendent of NextSTEP tooling, versus the distribution of the month in GNU/Linux world, preaching they will get the desktop this year, for 20 plus years, and the road for gaming relies on pretending to be Windows. Treat macOS as Mac OS, not as a Linux distribution. A proper set of UI frameworks, not stuck in pre-history C and C++ workloads or even worse Electr…

I don't need anyone to tell me about the "year of the Linux desktop". I have been using it exclusively since 2018 and earlier at work. The only advice I have to people is to stay the hell away from Ubuntu. That distribution is so bad and it gives people an absurdly bad impression of the Linux Desktop experience. Thanks to snaps, running IntelliJ, Firefox and the JVM application you are developing will consume 16GB of RAM. The coercive update culture with forced application restarts basically downgrades the experience to something as bad as Windows.

On my desktop with 32GB RAM I rarely get above 12GB with a ridiculous amount of applications.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

#396

> Asahi is a Linux distribution that can run natively on Apple Silicon-based Macs due to some slick reverse engineering provided by members of the open source community. Moreover, running Asahi is perfectly legal because Apple formally allows booting non-macOS operating systems on their Apple Silicon platform. Umm how would it ever be not legal? Even if Apple doesn't formally allow it, you're free too so with your ow…

The DMCA made it illegal to circumvent software locks.

That's only if it's being used to circumvent copyright?

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

#397
post #326

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Not sure, but anecdotally I have a machine running linux that was $6,000 and definitely feels slower than my M2 macbook air. Mostly its a question of latency I would imagine. My machine: Archlinux “Zen” (lower latency kernel). Threadripper 3970x 256G DDR4 2666MHz 3x4TiB NVMe (PCIe Gen3) in RAID0 Radeon VII GFX card (more than enough for 2D render of terminals).

I attended a talk by a PhD student who specializes in CPU/architectural research, on the M1 as an architecture. There are some key differences in design, such as unified memory etc, but what accounts for a large part of the performance gap with x86 is the fact Apple's compilers can target their specific microarchitecture and optimize for that, because they know its performance characteristics well. We know the perfor…

> what accounts for a large part of the performance gap with x86 is the fact Apple's compilers can target their specific microarchitecture and optimize for that, because they know its performance characteristics well.

OP is running Arch though, which is probably built with gcc/clang targeting generic ARMv8(.0?).

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

#398
"Moreover, running Asahi is perfectly legal because Apple formally allows booting non-macOS operating systems on their Apple Silicon platform."

As if you were actually violating the law by running non-vendorOS on a vendor locked computer. What a ridiculous concept.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

#399

I don't get the hype around apple silicon for desktop computers. I sort of understand the power efficiency argument for laptops (although it is often overstated IMO, I could work for >10h straight with my X1 carbon 6 years ago), but for Desktop it is trivial to build a PC that runs significantly faster, with much more upgradability and flexibility for a fraction of the price. So if I want performance on a Linux syste…

More than 19 hours on X1 Carbon? For real? Mine barely lasts 6 hours and it's 2 years-old. I'm using Linux without a GUI.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

#400
post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A ferrari with square wheels, that is a good one. A UNIX descendent of NextSTEP tooling, versus the distribution of the month in GNU/Linux world, preaching they will get the desktop this year, for 20 plus years, and the road for gaming relies on pretending to be Windows. Treat macOS as Mac OS, not as a Linux distribution. A proper set of UI frameworks, not stuck in pre-history C and C++ workloads or even worse Electr…

I don't need anyone to tell me about the "year of the Linux desktop". I have been using it exclusively since 2018 and earlier at work. The only advice I have to people is to stay the hell away from Ubuntu. That distribution is so bad and it gives people an absurdly bad impression of the Linux Desktop experience. Thanks to snaps, running IntelliJ, Firefox and the JVM application you are developing will consume 16GB of…

Pity that 98% of the desktop computing hasn't noticed it, as per Valve survey average.
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