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> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…
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Disagree. I've had the beta for a year and drive in NYC. It has been mostly flawless considering all scenarios it has to handle. It does make the occasional mistake but (1) it's a beta and (2) I'm responsible for monitoring and correcting it. Agree that those that expected more should be entitled to a refund if they so desire.
Consider the possibility that you might both be right. Two people may have vastly different experiences with FSD, depending on the routes they take and other variables.
An automatic software update is not a recall.
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People drive motorcycles, which seems much more dangerous. I don't think the risk of self driving is that high but it does seem stressful.
I'm creating a new bullet proof vest. Would you like to participate in the beta program, to test stoping bullets being shot at you?
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Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.
Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something. True, but by announcing things in this fashion it is making Tesla look bad. Regulations really need to be updated so that car makers can hide this type of problem from customers as easily as…
What. No! At an absolute minimum, I want to be aware of any changes to the thing in my life most likely to kill me. Maybe we could use a better term like "Software Fuckup Remediation" or "Holy Shit How Did We Not Get The Brakes Right".
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I agree. It’s like crying wolf, eventually you start ignoring it
Laypeople have an incorrect perception of what a recall actually means, especially when it comes to vehicles. The most important effect that comes along with an official vehicle recall is that the manufacturer has to fix the issue for you for free, or otherwise compensate you in some way for reduced functionality you may have paid for.
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Because only a FSD car causes piles up... your right, I NEVER saw 90 car pileups on the news before FSD. /s I'm pointing this out because he said (in italics) "substantially".
It doesn't really matter, we have multiple incidents of FSD causing accidents due to outright mistakes, not even "a human would have messed up here too" situations.
In one famous case the policy claimed that the driver was '100% not in the driver seat'. This caused a huge media storm and anti-Tesla wave.
Just recently the full report came out and stated that Tesla AP was not used at all and the drive was driving normally.
https://electrek.co/2023/02/09/tesla-cleared-highly-publiciz...
There are quite few such cases, this one maybe being the one that caused the most media attention.
So I tend to discredit all such reports unless its several months after and a full investigation report has been done.
Do you have links to verified reports of FSD causing such crashes.
It seems to me that phantom breaking could lead to such issues, but I have not yet seen a real report that claims this happened.
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> It does make the occasional mistake Yeah, that's what I mean by "dangerous".
Ok but don't you have to weigh that against the potential of avoiding accidents by reacting quicker then you as a human can? I have defiantly seen cases where FSD Beta stopped and the driver didn't understand instantly understand why. Or simpler cases where the car follows a lane while the driver wasn't paying attention (adjusting the radio or whatever). Those can easily lead to an accident but are unlikely to if you…
Note that this recall just means that there's a regulator-mandated patch, not that FSD is being removed.
Both of my cars patched last night with “Bug fixes” as the changelog. I don’t think I’ve seen an update that only said that before. I suspect that was this “recall”. If that’s the case, then the recall (patch) is probably mostly done by now.
Obviously attention should be drawn to the fact that there is a critical safety update being pushed OTA, but "recall" is too overloaded a term if it means both "we're taking this back and destroying it because it's fundamentally flawed" vs. "a software update is being pushed to your vehicle (which may or may not be fundamentally flawed...)"
I do think something beyond "software update" is necessary, though - these aren't your typical "bug fixes and improvements" type release notes that accompany many app software releases these days. I don't think it would be too difficult to come up with appropriate language. "Critical Safety Update"?