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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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To everyone at GitHub: I’m so sorry. I don’t mean this in a clever way, either. Teams is awful and it will make your lives worse to one degree or another.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

> My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

What are the shortcomings of Google Chat over Teams?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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For me the ability to seamlessly start a meeting, pull in 10 participants from different organizations by just sharing a URL and be off to the races a few minutes later is what makes the difference. If I have to spend even a couple of minutes debugging audio/video issues, dealing with people that can't seem to join, people that are trying to install a client that they then can't get to work, people that need to make…

I've never had a problem sharing a URL to get outside people in a meeting with Teams and, of course, it works in the browser. Are you sure this is still a problem?

The issues sometimes aren't about teams but microsoft authentication. You are sometimes forced to use incognito mode or cannot join.

Plus it doesn't work on any browser, even if said browser has capability to run it, or on mobile, unless you install their app.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#393

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We also use it every day. That said, I feel like I know a lot of devs who think there are a lot of things that are unusable (or the equivalent). Everything from Visual Studio to the display on their iPhone to modern cinema and science fiction in general to In-and-Out burgers. As a general rule, I discount their take on pretty much anything. Is Teams great? No. Its better than what I used before it though, and its pro…

> Is Teams great? No. Its better than what I used before it though dare I ask what you used before?

We went from HipChat to Teams and Teams is much better.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Have you used the Google workspace tools? They also have tight integration of docs/meetings/chat/etc.

I have, I used and admin'd Workspace for about a decade before changing to O365. There's some good integrations there and I was a big fan of the simplicity of Meet, but chat is where Google definitely falls apart. We never really got into the new Hangouts as we were already pretty integrated into our Mattermost instance and then we migrated to O365, so maybe its better today, but as far as organizational chat kind of…

> Things like having chats for Meets and sharing documents in a chat then get integrated into Drive are things that Teams does well and last I saw Google still kind of didn't have a fully-baked solution, at least at the time.

I'm not sure what quality of integration Teams has - but Chat has had this integration for several months now.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#395

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

What makes me very angry about Google Meet is that you can't configure it so that guests can just join without asking.

This means if you have a meeting with a lot of people, you constantly have to babysit the "Someone is asking to join" box, as people come in late.

Also, this box has got to be the worst UI design I've seen in a while, since it even blocks yourself from muting/unmuting yourself and disabling the camera, until you make a decision about whether you want to admit the person.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#396

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

How can the company who makes one of the best (if not the best) electron app (vscode), also ship one of the worst electron apps (Teams)?

Can’t they just set up a meeting and and take notes on how the other team did it?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

Teams regularly randomly gets worse in many metrics. I will start work one day and something will randomly work differently, with no warning.

One good example is that teams now tries harder to autoformat code. It will refuse to treat something copied from an IDE as just text, automatically put it into some random quote style box, and the process of getting your cursor out of that box to continue writing your message changes and is inconsistent over time. If the recipient of that message then tries to copy and paste that code, the formatting and raw text content will have been changed in unexpected ways, and you have to manually fix it. This is such a stupidly simple and expected use for a chat app in software development workspaces yet it probably isn't an allowed use case at microsoft. Microsoft fired their QA department, so any code path in any app not regularly used by Microsoft staff internally is pretty much garanteed to wander, be inconsistent, randomly break, and change in unnecessary ways.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#398
I don't understand most of the negative comments in this thread along the lines of "if my company would require I use Teams I'd quite on the spot". Really? an IM client is what's going to make you quit? I always thought it was amusing that old developers were super anal about vim vs emacs and saw it as a tongue in cheek but now I realize most of those people are really serious and take these things quite emotionally...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Teams for Linux, when I inspect it with htop, is actually running a process called "Skype" in the background. I think that explains some of the crappiness of the UX! (It has required some serious hacking to make it even functional for me.) Since then my team has swapped to using Discord for what we're doing. It sounds a bit weird to use a Gamer tool at work but it's actually been pretty great since we run an Open Sou…

I use it in the web browser

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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What on earth have you used before?! I struggle to think of anything worse than Teams, maybe Amazon chime but pretty much everything I've used over the years is a good step up from Teams.

Skype for business? Teams is way better than that. I mean its not great but I feel like on Windows at least (idk about Mac or Linux) it's just distinctly average. The only thing about teams that drove me crazy in the years of having to suffer it its search function and how the mobile app puts the logout action into settings (I lost my mind once trying to find it).

Nah skype for business was the bomb. It worked exactly like 2005 MSN messenger, was simple, efficient, and screen sharing and video calling was hard so people wouldn't start a damn video call or ask me to join a video call for things that should be a damn email.
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