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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by psychoslave »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #322
notrealme1234 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't want to post from my main account to avoid any references and trails. It goes beyond just sexual harassment at work. I was accused by my ex wife. Even before any trials or anything: I lost my job, banks, housing and pretty much anything that requires a background check. I fought this for a year, and everything was dropped, because her friend came as witnesses and explained how she and my ex wife planned on set…

The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide. There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions. The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing…

>The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture

Unless you believe some deity ever really went in person at all these trials, you do realize that this is a complete indoctrinated perspective, don’t you? In all cases, this is only humans judging humans.

>As if punishing a bad person is a virtue. And as if there's nothing wrong about lynching an innocent person.

There is no need to essentialize a person for some bad behavior — did this person actually engaged in this behavior or not.

Letting a person engage in bad behavior without acting to prevent reiteration and hardening along this path is probably no more virtue.

Note that "punishment" is one way to try to bring people to more behavioral changes, but not necessarily the most efficient, nor the less ethically sketchy, and definitely not the only one.

> And this is a direct result of lack of religion. The absence of religion isn't lack of oppression, it's oppression by a dumb blind mob.

I am not especially acquainted with USA justice system, but lack of interference by religion into judiciary system is certainly not the description I would tag over the thin knowledge I have of it. Or do people stopped to swear on bible there and dropped the "in god we trust" motto?

Neither religions nor crowds are 100% sure receipt to oppression, but certainly both can be instrumentalized to achieve oppression. Just like self-proclaimed smart elites.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by FredPret »

Remote work has so many benefits. Theoretically, you won't even have to know about your colleagues' and employees' gender / disability / height / race / social class / looks.

I envision a world with millions of 1-10 person remote companies working together. All this crap would simply evaporate.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by jb1991 »

psychoslave wrote: post #391
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide. There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions. The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing…

>The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture Unless you believe some deity ever really went in person at all these trials, you do realize that this is a complete indoctrinated perspective, don’t you? In all cases, this is only humans judging humans. >As if punishing a bad person is a virtue. And as if there's nothing wrong about lynching an innocent person. There…

I believe the parent is using the word “religion” in a different way than you seem to realize, and in a much more general way, similar to how this concept is for example used in archaeological histories of human kind, i.e. the Sapiens book. Religion, in this sense, is not specifically referring to some specific practice of spiritual beliefs, but rather a more general shared abstract perspective among a group of people. Similar with the word “omnipotent“. Though I think this metaphor or definition may be lost on some readers.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by FredPret »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #275
ShredKazoo wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. My friend who still lives in the Valley says this kind of sentiment is incredibly common there nowadays, e.g. advertising an open position and having discussions internally that a man won't be hired for the role. It's pretty surprising to me, because statistics show that most major careers have a gender imbalance in one di…

This general phenomenon is not just a moral panic, and is not caused by social media, though it may have a role in its spread. It is caused by a number of deep-rooted factors compounding on one another. One of them is the increasingly bloated managerial class in Western societies that are trying to hold on to their power. This is done by sowing division in the society, dismantling its former institutions (religion, c…

I think you might have meant to type homogeneity rather than heterogeneity

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by throwawaycopter »

samanator wrote: post #317
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

It's sad to me that the most upvoted comment in response to a sexual harassment is about false harassment claims. Imagine the roles were reversed and it were a woman being harassed. What would the response to this comment be?

Probably even more upvoted?

That's the pattern I normally see online, people tend to be sympathetic to victims.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by anon7725 »

dsign wrote: post #314

Homo Sapiens, despite all its culture, it is still commanded by Nature to do everything it can to spread its genes. A (nice) side-effect of that is that we are lewd. The problem is that we loose our composure when we drink. Just playing the devil's advocate here, but let's assume for a minute we could reorganize things a little to avoid matters like this becoming a problem. Like say, we could make women stronger than…

Just stop all the random unnecessary extra curricular activities and travel at work. And have a “no alcohol in work contexts” policy.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

olalonde wrote: post #387
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide. There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions. The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing…

> And this is a direct result of lack of religion. The absence of religion isn't lack of oppression, it's oppression by a dumb blind mob. Religion isn't the truly primitive behavior, the truly primitive behavior is this dumb mob social justice that's spreading now. Nah, they're both truly primitive. China doesn't have this "dumb mob social justice" phenomenon and is largely irreligious. Irrationality isn't inevitable…

Don't get me started on China's social credit. I'll pick the mob justice over an unintelligent oppressive dictatorship. Communism is a whole religion of its own, and it's even more oppressive and pervasive than other religions, and it fosters corruption.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by FredPret »

gleenn wrote: post #37
kodah wrote: post #18

Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious re…

It me quite a while to realize by "not work another day in his life" as actually meaning he will win large sums of money and not have to work, instead of my initial parsing as "he would never be allowed to work somewhere again".

I hope the first is true; I know the second is unfortunately probably also true

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by barry-cotter »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #269
josteink wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aka: Hire anyone except white, heterosexual males.

Unless you're in traditionally pink collar jobs, in which case they're the ones who would be preferred (except for child care, where men who wish to work in the field are given a long hard look).

> Unless you're in traditionally pink collar jobs, in which case they're the ones who would be preferred

Have you seen any evidence of this or are speaking from theory?

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