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Re: New Mac Mini

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Worth noting the M1 memory is MUCH faster and higher bandwidth than x86 options at launch (about 2x). That accounted for a lot of the difference in perception. At least for general usage... for Docker + containers, it definitely uses a bit more.

Did you intend to reply to a different comment? The speed of the memory has no bearing on the capacity, obviously, so I'm not sure how this is relevant to what I said.

It's relevant because you are assessing value.

Re: New Mac Mini

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> Send messages to people, write some code, do some online shopping > I’m saying 8G is enough for doing most things, All of that can be technically accomplished on Windows 98 machine with 128MB of RAM can't it? Why shouldn't 4GB be more than enough for most things (maybe even 2GB? That would have been a huge hard-rive several decades ago). I mean I do agree with your main point, but the cost of additional 8GB at this…

its not about preferences really. as a developer myself I can justify the extra cost of RAM, I can make use of it (IDEs for example need a lot of RAM) but the company I work for should really pay for this. With that in mind: $200 is almost nothing. Overall, I think we agree, mostly I’m absolutely pissed off about runaway hardware requirements for running basic software, leaving no room for me to run my specialist too…

> $200 is almost nothing.

What I'm trying to say is that even with decent margins extra 8GB does not cost anywhere near $200. Apple is just price gouging their customers cause they are a monopoly in the macOS market.

> I am saying “when is it ever enough?”

I'd say as long as it's relatively cheap. Most people buying $700-1000 machine would be willing to spend $50 for 8GB of RAM. That's pretty reasonable. So the "minimum" amount should be based on what's generally affordable to 80-90% of consumers buying new hardware. Anyone buying a laptop (or a screen less device based on laptop components like the mini) in the price range I mentioned would afford 16GB of memory if they could install it themselves or if Apple sold upgrades at with margin similar to that it puts on the the base device (and not 200% they charge now).

Anyone who is using an old device should be able to upgrade it's memory without having to buy a new one. The fact that Apple is selling computers that could be obsolete in a couple of years is deplorable from the perspective of the environment (obviously great for Apple's shareholders).

That developers are writing inefficient software doesn't really justify this in any way.

Re: New Mac Mini

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Its described here https://support.apple.com/en-md/HT212049

I'm pretty sure that article is talking about the feature where, if MacOS realizes that you always plug in your laptop at night, and unplug it every day at 7 am, it will pause charging at 80% until like 5:30 or whatever time it needs to, such that it will reach 100% exactly at 7 am.

Right, it tries to guess and it's not very good at it. But IME if you do pretty much always use it plugged in as was being discussed above, it will just stay at 80%.

Re: New Mac Mini

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I always imagined a 24x7 docked laptop was a good setup for a couple reasons: 1. built in UPS due to the battery. 2. easy to grab and go in an emergency situation. Could you tell me more about the liability it creates? Is it a fire hazard? Decaying battery performance?

The battery will be useless in 8-12 months if you keep it plugged in nearly 24/7.

That's not my experience for almost any recent (last decade) laptop I've owned (or used for work). They pretty much live tied to a charger, but I occasionally move them. Some battery degradation but all had decent battery for 5+ years. Note: all of them were Macs.

Re: New Mac Mini

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"Today we package the same technology in our standard form factor, ram sizes, and we haven't innovated on design for years! it's new!"

Re: New Mac Mini

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I can't use my M1 mini with non-retina monitor because of how blurry it is. They stopped providing font anti-aliasing (default on Windows) few years ago in MacOS to make retina displays more relevant.

They didn’t stop antialiasing. They stopped sub-pixel antialiasing and snapping stems to the pixel grid, which is less relevant on retina displays, to avoid artifacts when text is translated and animated.

Surely the artifacts are better than blurry text?

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Apple is the undisputed king of never putting actual benchmarks in their info-graphs

Yup unless there's a LINPACK comparing it to VAX 11/780 it's deeply unserious.

Unfortunately I am a noob and even after googling I don't really understand the connection. Could you enlighten me?

Re: New Mac Mini

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Oof - once you bump the base model to 16GB RAM and 1TB of storage it doubles the price Apparently Mini RAM hasn't been user upgradable since the 2014 model https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205041#2020

On the plus side, with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently, there's really no compelling need to upgrade the internal storage. You could attach an external 1TB (or bigger!) NVMe SSD and you should be able to install macOS on that. You could just use the internal SSD as an extra storage drive. AFAIK, you're not required to use the internal SSD at all.

>with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently

When I owned a Mac mini it moved all the time: I took it on the bus with me to and from my girlfriend's house 100s of times.

(Although it died faster than it would have if I had left it in one place, it did last almost 9 years.)

Re: New Mac Mini

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On the plus side, with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently, there's really no compelling need to upgrade the internal storage. You could attach an external 1TB (or bigger!) NVMe SSD and you should be able to install macOS on that. You could just use the internal SSD as an extra storage drive. AFAIK, you're not required to use the internal SSD at all.

>with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently When I owned a Mac mini it moved all the time: I took it on the bus with me to and from my girlfriend's house 100s of times. (Although it died faster than it would have if I had left it in one place, it did last almost 9 years.)

Obviously using an external drive as your boot drive might not be the best idea in that situation, but that situation does not sound fun at all.

Re: New Mac Mini

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Did you intend to reply to a different comment? The speed of the memory has no bearing on the capacity, obviously, so I'm not sure how this is relevant to what I said.

It's relevant because you are assessing value.

The original M1 (I assume that's what GP meant by "at launch") uses LPDDR4x DRAM modules, the same as many x86 laptops that have soldered RAM. You can literally look up the part numbers based on the photos of the M1 CPU package. Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I'm not sure why it would be any more expensive than x86 laptops' memory, and it might even be less expensive just due to the volume that Apple is likely buying.
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