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Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by karp773 »

xwowsersx wrote: post #379
karp773 wrote: post #372

I am pro-free speech and hope that Congress will investigate this. Having said this, I must say that by associating himself with people like Taibbi, Musk has lost any credibility for me.

Without really knowing you and without knowing what issue you have with Taibbi such that Musk's association with him makes him lose any credibility for you, what value we do we gain from this? Not trying to be rude, I genuinely just don't get what we're supposed to get from this. Is it supposed to be obvious to "anyone with the right opinions" why Taibbi is problematic? It's not obvious to me...Taibbi seems like a fi…

Just sharing my opinion. As I said above, I am pro-free speech, that inludes free speech for myself. I do not know why you have a problem with this.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by bakugo »

anoonmoose wrote: post #218
Dem_Boys wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest Question: If the white house contacts Twitter and asks for a tweet to be removed, is that a first amendment violation?

No! And if it was, the party with standing to sue would be Twitter themselves, who has not said they're doing this.

As stated in tweet #11, Twitter is overwhemingly staffed by people of one political orientation, and the company as a whole would thus have no issue with helping their political party win the election. They had no reason to sue.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by MBCook »

There is another way to look at this.

So Elon posted today he would drop important inside info about the Hunter Biden story the right wing loves so much. And they seemed thrilled and are now debating the “new” info.

That’s an interesting turn from yesterday when that same group was pissed at him for going back on his free speech/no censorship claims when he kicked Kanye off.

How surprisingly lucky for him he did something that made him popular again just 24 hours after his new fans had turned on him.

And there was tons of new important info in the thread too. It wasn’t just stuff from months ago repackaged.

(Narrator: it largely was)

This seems like nothing more than a big redirection to get people to move on from the last story.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by rdbell »

darth_avocado wrote: post #272
Dem_Boys wrote: post #127

Most concerning thing here is that this proves political parties (including the white house[0]) have a direct line to Twitter[1] to get stuff they dislike removed. One would have to assume that there was also a direct line to other social medial platforms. It's so wild to have the slimy-ness of our American political system be revealed in yet another way. So in America you cannot say negative things about political l…

Are we going to pretend the same lines don’t exist to old school television channels, newspapers and radio stations?

I think a distinction should be made between abusing position & relationships to spin a narrative vs abusing position and relationships to silence individuals.

Both are slimy and abusive but the latter is a violation of constitutional rights.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by nikitaga »

Waterluvian wrote: post #174
sidibe wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between the multiparty countries and the USA is that in the USA the compromises needed to form a government are made before you do the final vote. In some ways I think that's better because the parties have to have a fuller and more realistic platform than in Europe where you can get a bunch of parties in power only caring about a few issues each and the tradeoffs aren't presented upfront

I find it works amazingly well in Canada where there is commonly no one party in power. That any one party must get the support of one or more other parties to pass any bill. This creates mandatory compromise. During a majority government where a single party has enough votes, I generally agree with you.

You are grossly overselling how "amazing" Canadian governance is.

Canada has essentially the same two party system as the US, with one of the two major parties winning literally every election in the last 100 years, and all but one election since the country's inception.

Occasional minority governments gave us some nice things, but that was decades ago, in a whole other world.

Canadian elections are cursed by FPTP much like the US is, and much unlike all the other developed countries that have true multi-party governance with some form of proportional representation.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by patmcc »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #367
Dem_Boys wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest Question: If the white house contacts Twitter and asks for a tweet to be removed, is that a first amendment violation?

Yes. And a properly-endowed Justice Department would begin prosecution for Twitter employees that colluded with the government to defraud US citizens of their fundamental rights. Twitter officers conspired with rogue elements of the US government to defraud US citizens of their constitutionally protected rights. This is not a game. The people involved should be facing 30 year prison sentences.

You don't have a 1st amendment right to post on twitter.

If twitter bans me for spamming, do you think I can sue them?

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by rhaksw »

i0null wrote: post #387

Am very much surprised to see the backlash against this story, especially given some of the thoughtful comments in an earlier thread "distinction between free speech as a legal right and cultural value" [0]. The government has as much right to report ToS violations as any other user. Having VIP lanes isn't a great look but it isn't surprising. The government are in a position were they can force legal changes if it f…

Government "reports" about speech on social media are dubious when they choose who heads the FTC. It's a fine line that might be worth a court case or two depending on details.

Public shock about government involvement in speech is par for the course, in the US anyway.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by numbsafari »

purple_ferret wrote: post #170
Dem_Boys wrote: post #127

Most concerning thing here is that this proves political parties (including the white house[0]) have a direct line to Twitter[1] to get stuff they dislike removed. One would have to assume that there was also a direct line to other social medial platforms. It's so wild to have the slimy-ness of our American political system be revealed in yet another way. So in America you cannot say negative things about political l…

How is this surprising? People get things resolved via Hacker News when people comment on CEO account comments (Stripe comes to mind). Nearly every company probably has direct lines of access for resolutions for VIPs, politicians not excluded.

Huh. Kinda like Musk hanging out with Tim Cook at Apple Park?

Wealthy people in America have access?

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by archsurface »

anoonmoose wrote: post #130
Dig1t wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598827602403160064 Biden team asking Twitter to "handle" tweets they don't like. This rubs me the wrong way, nobody in government should be telling Twitter to remove speech.

1- Biden wasn't in government, he was running for office. Private citizen at the time. 2- They weren't telling, they were asking, and if Twitter feels like they were told, they can sue the government for violating their First Amendment rights.

When an authority asks, they're not really asking, they're telling.

Re: The Twitter Files

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Post by we_never_see_it »

mrcwinn wrote: post #271

It's pretty odd that the Verge and Platformer have had wall to wall coverage of every moment of Twitter the past few weeks, including live-tweeting content sourced from (perhaps appropriately) disgruntled ex-employees. And yet here, silence so far. It goes to show what we already knew. Every media outlet (or blogger, or influencer) has an audience, caters to that audience, grows that audience, monetizes that audience…

For me the biggest hypocirsy was crying over laid-off H1B visa employees of Twitter and what a monster Musk is. The H1B visa situation is there for decades. The party of humanitarians didn't do a single thing for H1B visa holders. Instead of they used H1B visa holders' accomplishemnts as a way to justify illegal immigration. [1]

When working class gets affected by illegal immigration then they are racists. When the white collar class gets affected by jobs getting outsourced then it's the corporate greed.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2016/10/05/a...

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