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Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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> Speaking of cutting costs, the company is still pouring multiple billions of dollars into vaporware called “the metaverse”. News flash: no one wants to wear VR goggles to spend any time in a digital heaven where the role of God is played by Mark Zuckerberg and you can do anything you can imagine, including “work” and “shop”. Sounds like this guy was totally opposed to the company's new focus, to the point of descri…

I was regretted attrition. And very, very far from the most vital person on my team.

I mean, it does sound like you are vehemently opposed to Meta's focus on the "metaverse" right?

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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> News flash: no one wants to wear VR goggles This to me sounds similar to "I think there is a world market for maybe 5 computers" ( https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=164a442a-1b90... ). That was wrong or "people don’t want to lug a computer with them to the beach or on a train to while away hours" ( https://qz.com/593329/choice-quotes-from-a-1985-new-york-tim... ). Looking around the beach and especiall…

Sounds just as much like what critics said about the Segway, which was supposed to revolutionize pedestrian movement, and which ... well, let's just say the critics turned out to be right. Which is to say, I don't think you can tell much about the stickiness of a technology from what it's proponents say for or against it. History is full of well-hyped failures, and not a few overperforming fringe ideas.

Yeah, it turns out what we wanted was e-scooters, OneWheels, and the like. That's actually a pretty solid example of the same principle.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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People are leaving. In droves. There has been a huge exodus of senior talent in the last year. Zuck mentioned that in an earnings call and rather than assigning himself any responsibility said that those people were unregretted attrition and lazy parasites who were just collecting a paycheck during the pandemic. (I am paraphrasing somewhat; you can look it up if you want his exact words.) Regarding change from within…

Why would he ever consider taking responsibility for something when he can't really be held accountable? It should be illegal to take a company public with special voting-only shares.

It is illegal on some stock exchanges. You are free to only buy your shares there. Also you are free to buy stocks on exchanges that do allow it but don't have two classes. No one is forcing anyone to buy Meta

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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This news didn't surprise me at all. Academics and research scientists on teams like this are very far removed from driving revenue and understanding the value you provide. It's just as likely that the teams they saved costs for are also hemorrhaging anyway and being shut down or reduced.

I am personally shocked continually at how drastically overvalued seeming engineering is. I read through what he wrote here - Not to be cynical; and I used to be an engineer: but this sounded like a bunch of fluffy B.S. I used to work at several mega corps. Very overstaffed ones. We had tons of very elite engineers doing god knows what. They always had stories that sounded exactly like this - It’s so complicated you…

Can you offer any constructive advice to us engineers, and help us move towards more value-creating contributions? I hear your "disconnected from reality", but I'm not sure what to do about it.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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I see your point and don't mean to be argumentative, but a couple small corrections. First, the pivot to "meta" was just over a year ago, so it hasn't been quite years. Second, I haven't been shy about sharing my opinion internally, though I haven't been broadcasting it either. The first thing I said in our team group chat when we'd heard this announcement was (context, I am much older than most people on the team) "…

> Third, this opinion is indeed extremely common internally. It is intensely weird to me that people hold the opinion that their company is building something that is bad for the world, and yet they stay there and continue to help build it. I know that's easy to say as someone not in that situation, but not always easy to do for someone who is. I get that people don't always have a ton of choice about their employmen…

> It is intensely weird to me that people hold the opinion that their company is building something that is bad for the world, and yet they stay there and continue to help build it.

Facebook is a giant privacy-violating advertising company that demonstrated repeatedly that it was bad for the world long before Meta happened. And yet they attracted a huge amount of great talent who knew going in what FB was. Microsoft did the same thing in the 90s.

People have their own reasons for joining such companies. Maybe it's stability, or the quality of the team, or freedom, or it looks good on a resume, or maybe it's just the money. I'm not going to judge somebody for any of that.

If I had been working at FB I might have tried to transfer to the metaverse team. Even if I had no confidence it would work it would have been much more interesting than that dying social network. And probably less evil, because it will probably die before it gets big enough to matter.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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But I can't wear those goggles for even 2 hours. Are there people who can wear them for 12? As someone who has never seen or held a pair (I don't have a facebook account), what is the long term barrier? Weight? Size? Such as, if they were sunglass sized, would they be longer term wear? Or is it still the resolution/disconnected feeling/etc?

I think the problem is something that we dont actually understand yet. Like there needs to be some kind of psychologist to study it to figure out what is going on. When I am in the goggles, Its kind of cool, but Im completely disconnected from the real world. Its not a group activity either, like board games connect you to other people. VR connects you to the matrix. When one person in a family puts on the goggles, e…

Incredible description and eerily similar to my own experiences.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Given how many greatly appreciated his blog and have been upset at the last few years of Facebook-encouraged radio silence (including myself, Eric Lippert has been a blogger I've looked forward to posts from), even if he were to just fall into the exciting "old" project of blogging regularly again (as his post teases at the bottom), I think that would be a great use of "his prime" and I wouldn't exactly call that a r…

That's all very kind of you to say, thank you. I have several times been offered the chance to teach a masters level course on compiler design but never had the time to develop it. After a bit of a break, maybe I'll give that more thought.

As always, please put self-care first. But if you ever end up developing a course or workshop on compiler design, I'll be the first person to sign up.

Your blog both inspired me to go into my current line of work and taught me so many of the skills I needed to succeed. I'm sad that so much of your and your colleagues' work is ultimately not going to reach its full potential. At the same time, I can't say I'm not excited that one of my favorite blogs is hopefully going to resume at some point in the future :)

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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> Third, this opinion is indeed extremely common internally. It is intensely weird to me that people hold the opinion that their company is building something that is bad for the world, and yet they stay there and continue to help build it. I know that's easy to say as someone not in that situation, but not always easy to do for someone who is. I get that people don't always have a ton of choice about their employmen…

I think the common opinion is that nobody will want or use the metaverse. Getting paid to build something that nobody will use isn't immoral, it's amoral.

Helping an advertiser trick kids into spending their time in a pupil dilation monitor/retinal scanner so that ads can be optimized for impact based on biometric markers isn't amoral, it's immoral.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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> I would be happy to be shown to be wrong, wrong, wrong. Maybe there is a useful, engaging, fun, just, equitable, democratic, sustainable, novel VR experience where the avatars have legs, but Meta is $20 billion in and aside from the legs I don’t see any evidence that any of the above is forthcoming.

As a VR developer, this is professionally frustrating to read. Oculus and Meta have continually sucked all the air out of the room in this industry.

I actually really like my Quest Pro, if I squint and ignore the Meta logo for a minute, but there isn't anything particularly special about it. The hardware is basically a designer shell around a Qualcomm reference design. The software is pretty basic. The only reason the Quest line is so much better than the competition is because the competition is failing to show up.

And that's largely because of the huge amount of money that Meta is spending. How are you going to convince investors to back your competing platform if they look at the market and see Meta spending 20bil a year? How are you going to hire talent when Meta has been paying anyone they can find 5x normal salaries anywhere else, plus adult daycare benefits? Slurrrrrrp Hope you don't like breathing.

Meta isn't spending 20bils because that's what making VR takes. They're spending that to make it impossible for competitors to operate. It's basically the Reagan-era Cold War strategy.

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