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Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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"Cultural Revolution" is actually a very apt name for what happened. One of the core concepts of it was the destruction of the "four olds": old ideas, old culture, old customs, and old habits. They were horrifyingly efficient at it, resulting in what was one of the single-largest destructions of cultural heritage in history, and almost certainly the largest one perpetuated by one's own people (albeit the original ico…

Everyone in Asia did or is doing the same thing. Meiji did this in Japan, to the point where many B. temples were burnt down (thankfully not as bad as Mao), and the whole of Japan's culture considered obsolete. KMT boys were doing the same thing in China before Mao. Nehru and his Congress cretins who inherited the British state, did the same, and India continues these "destroy Bharata" policies to this day. In fact,…

Westernization is not the same thing as throwing away ALL your cultural heritage and adopting Marxist ideology to the letter...

You might argue it's a difference in degree, but if the Cultural Revolution actually succeeded (or not reverted), it would be the difference between zero and non-zero cultural heritage left.

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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Brings to mind Gould's quote - "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99345-i-am-somehow-less-int...

I think about this often. Having studied mathematics, it's a field where there is a huge range of talents, even at 18 (and younger). There are genuinely gifted people who stride ahead, but the sad reality is that even at top institutions most of the undergraduate cohort will be merely averagely clever people who have received great (often private) tuition. In a field where finding every genius really matters because…

I think you mean tutelage instead of tuition there (I could be wrong)

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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Alex Ferguson might have been a good football manager, but he wasn't a genius - and I say that as a Man United supporter. He didn't advance football in any significant way, and even towards the end of his career he was somewhat naive from a tactical perspective. He was just a good man-manager in what is a sea of managerial mediocrity - football management is largely restricted to ex-pro-footballers who can't do anyth…

On a similar note, Page and Brin were obviously smart and driven and all, but applying linear algebra to the search problem was arguably one of the things that was "in the air". It is hard to judge, because what seems obvious ex post was (obviously) not obvious ex ante. But, again, eigenvalue decomposition/SVD (and linear algebra more generally) - you throw it at the Netflix problem, you throw it at image compression…

You start to loose correlation with IQ really, really quickly as you move away from feats of solving established math problems to football management and entrepreneurship. Solving established math problems is more like taking an IQ test than any other activity that I can think of.

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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Why is this :( though? The market is working and filling a market opportunity. Maybe he likes running his own business? Unless he was being discriminated against for being a Russian immigrant and treated unfairly?

Because the world would be better off having people of that calibre making progress on outstanding problems in maths than having one more mediocre restaurant in it

ok, you're insulting the guy's restaurant and the market disagrees with you, apparently

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Wow. I guess you're not familiar with any philosophers other than Aristotle, otherwise you could never make such a statement.

Please elaborate

There should be a rule where you're not allowed to phrase a question as a false statement that insults a lot of people...

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Because the world would be better off having people of that calibre making progress on outstanding problems in maths than having one more mediocre restaurant in it

ok, you're insulting the guy's restaurant and the market disagrees with you, apparently

Contrary to what you may believe, the market has failure modes. Just because something is difficult to monetise doesn't mean that it's not valuable. Fundamental research is one such thing. It can open up vast realms of possibility for all of humanity, but in a way that's difficult, if not impossible, to privatise. And the benefits may take years, decades or even centuries to pay off. Thus there is very little incentive for any market actors to invest in them.

But if Newton had decided to open an inn instead of work on the Principia the world would have been far worse off for it. Possibly centuries behind where we are now.

I will apologise for calling the restaurant mediocre. I have no idea about the quality of the food, but if you think that's what this hinges on then you've missed the point. That as good a restaurant as it may be, it's not worth losing a mathematician of his calibre over.

Re: Monumental (if correct) advance in number theory posted to ArXiv by Yitang Zhang

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Brings to mind Gould's quote - "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99345-i-am-somehow-less-int...

I mean Alan Turing proved that even a demonstration of your abilities isn't enough to avoid persecution.

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This! Identical situation in the UK from my experience. Why maths is taught completely separated from its history and its purpose is baffling. Well actually it’s not: it’s because it serves the teachers. You hammer the formulas and patterns into the kids so they can pass the exams. Your school gets good grades and the principal is happy because he can now market his school as successful and the government inspectors…

> because it serves the teachers I don't think this is the case. I think it's because the teachers themselves don't have a good grasp on "the story of maths and how it benefitted society". There is a silly meme about asking high school maths teachers "how will we use this in life", and imo it's not because there isn't a good response, but rather that it requires a good understanding of the ways math is actually used.…

Yeah this is a very good point. The amount of people who basically go from school to university to school teacher is alarmingly high and bad for society in my opinion. Grown adults who have never known anything but the school system teaching the next generation. It’s ridiculous. I do still think the original point about hitting metrics is a major contributing factor though along with low pay and underfunding.
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