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Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by CloudRecondite »

pwthornton wrote: post #355

Tesla is a hardware company not known for stellar software. Both its self-driving/driver assist capabilities are suspect, and the functionality of the giant tablet UI could be better. You hear a lot of requests to be able to use Apple CarPlay in Teslas. Teslas are probably better than the vast majority of car companies, particularly the UI of the touch controls and system, but it still seems weird to me to have engin…

Absolutely, I don’t view Tesla as a place top tier talent goes. Twitter much more so.

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Post by noncoml »

themitigating wrote: post #386
noncoml wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People despise him in HN? Have you looked at the comment section? Looks like the exact opposite to me.

He means "why doesn't everyone like him"

One thing I love about this is that it forces everyone to show their true colors.

Like those friends you had since high school and didn’t know they were wackos until they started posting anti-vaccine crap on their Facebook.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by alerighi »

This is a very stupid thing to do. First, code is not the issue. Code can be rewritten in not a lot of time, when you have clear what to write. Twitter is not something so complex, in principle, thus it shouldn't be that difficult (a team of 10 good programmers in a month can probably rewrite everything).

The thing where is 99% of the complexity and you can't redesign in a month is the infrastructure, how data is stored, how the various components communicate together, how everything scales globally, and all the related components. Things like Twitter are not complex for the application (that is trivial to implement) but for what it takes to run that trivial applications with that kind of numbers.

Looking only at the code is stupid, since code is fairly trivial to rewrite, while doing infrastructure changes is something difficult, costly and in some cases even impossible.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by kweingar »

dmak wrote: post #238

Comments are just full of people who want to bring down Musk for the most trivial things without acknowledging the amount of good he has put forth. FYI, I don't own a Tesla or own their stock or own any stock in Musk owned companies. I don't even follow his twitter account.

I would make these kinds of comments about any CEO who comes into a large tech company and makes the engineers print out diffs on paper.

It is ridiculous, and frankly I would be willing to wager that fewer people would defend this practice if this were a different CEO at a different company.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by toomanyrichies »

awinder wrote: post #22
toomanyrichies wrote: post #14

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Even something like that pay-for-pto plan seems so flirtatious with trouble. It’s not a move that’s in the fiduciary interest of Tesla shareholders, and mixing personal money into it might even make that more clear. Elons got a large bench of people who cheerled this thing, ask Larry Ellison for some people who can go audit this thing over multi-months.

Exactly. The more I thought about it, the more the pay-for-PTO thing strikes me as its own separate ethical quagmire. See my other comment in this thread for specific questions that both Tesla stockholders and Elon's Twitter co-investors should be asking now.

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Post by super_linear »

walrus01 wrote: post #370
pwthornton wrote: post #355

Tesla is a hardware company not known for stellar software. Both its self-driving/driver assist capabilities are suspect, and the functionality of the giant tablet UI could be better. You hear a lot of requests to be able to use Apple CarPlay in Teslas. Teslas are probably better than the vast majority of car companies, particularly the UI of the touch controls and system, but it still seems weird to me to have engin…

For those who don't remember, one example of just how badly they can fuck up their software, the operating system on Teslas for a number of years was based on a default Ubuntu that wrote logs which destroyed the SSD. Exceeded the total write wear leveling endurance after just 1-2 years of use of the car. Required total motherboard replacement on a great number of cars, because of course the ssd was permanently solder…

A decent article on this: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/flash-memory-wear-killing-...

We have this example as a "don't do this" example for excessive logging in our engineering guidelines.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by tedunangst »

rtp4me wrote: post #349
tomschlick wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whos to say that these TSLA engineers didnt take PTO time and Musk is paying them a consulting rate?

Exactly! Just like I said in my comment down below. Most commenters in this thread just assume Musk told a bunch of guys just to show up on TLSA time to do some code review. My suspicion is he helped setup some sort of consulting arrangement between the two companies to make it legal. Why is that so hard to believe?

Because Musk ordering a bunch of TSLA employees to do whatever isn't so hard to believe?

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by drakythe »

colechristensen wrote: post #299
ipqk wrote: post #65

I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.

You’d only be pissed off if you had a predisposition to dislike elon and then why would you be a TSLA shareholder? This is a tiny amount of money compared to the daily cost of running TSLA and would have zero actual impact to shareholder value. If it isn’t being accounted for correctly, there will be a tiny investor lawsuit and a tiny amount of money changing hands. This is latching on to just anything to complain ab…

So you have no problems with employees stealing the odd petty cash here or there for their side hustle, right?

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Post by greesil »

extheat wrote: post #371
pwthornton wrote: post #355

Tesla is a hardware company not known for stellar software. Both its self-driving/driver assist capabilities are suspect, and the functionality of the giant tablet UI could be better. You hear a lot of requests to be able to use Apple CarPlay in Teslas. Teslas are probably better than the vast majority of car companies, particularly the UI of the touch controls and system, but it still seems weird to me to have engin…

“Better software engineers” to anyone who does software engineering is a joke. It’s an totally unquantifiable measure, and some people use dumb metrics like leetcode capabilities as some IQ test.

Sshhh, don't give them any ideas.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Post by fastball »

glitchc wrote: post #364

Musk sounds like a nightmare to work for. Why would any self-respecting developer stick around under these conditions? I expect an exodus of talent from Twitter in short order.

This assumes Twitter has serious talent. The company that implemented "undo tweet" with a setTimeout[1].

[1] https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1513301310434529288?s=20&t=Q...

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