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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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If you want to see what's going on in California, just head over to https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/ Lot's of people applying for CCW (gun carry permit) because they feel unsafe and it is near impossible to get one in SF city. I am going to be following suit, I purchased a gun last year and going to apply for a CCW, but seems like the waiting list is 3 years and they are actively rejecting Bruen ruling by SCOTUS.

I'm not anti-gun, and fully appreciate the need to protect one's self (and household) at home, but if I ever felt the need to carry a gun outside my home, that would be my signal to move.

A lot of people don't have the luxury to move. Specialized jobs, family, extended family, etc. They can try to move to a nicer area but then financial limitations start impeding mobility.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that if a rich, white or Asian tech worker decided to loot a Walgreens, they would get the book thrown at them. Look at the small business owners in New York who get arrested and charged with everything possible by the DA's office for defending themselves (until public pressure forces them to back down). That's where we are. This is what the people voted for, though.

Why would they loot a Walgreens when they could loot the payroll? Wage theft is the most common form of theft[1] in the country and it's almost completely unenforced. [1] https://www.epi.org/publication/wage-theft-bigger-problem-fo...

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in several cities, and they all share in common police's complete unwillingness to investigate petty theft. Businesses seem to have no problem, but private citizens just aren't a high priority. I realize San Francisco has wider issues with crime enforcement, but petty theft is under-investigated and enforced in many places unfortunately.

I think the annoying thing about SF is you'd find way more people OK with the idea to not pursue non-violent crimes, defund the police, or reduce police presence because the relationship with community is bad and mass-incarceration is a problem. And they are real problems, but also they are not going to get fixed in a year or even five years. There are certainly good number of people who are balanced in terms of supp…

> And they are real problems, but also they are not going to get fixed in a year or even five years.

SF could easily be fixed in a year. Zero tolerance policing, locking up drug abusing vagrants, and broken windows style follow up would work wonders.

The problem is that the sheer force of will to get it done simply does not exist. Nobody in power is willing to step up and take the inevitable heat for the action that is sorely needed.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Reading this headline I thought to myself, this can't be possible. But then I remembered I got two packages stolen in two different neighborhood of the city, and during NYE someone broke the door of the backyard to probably see what they could steal there.

I thought the opposite. How can this not be at least a nationwide, if not worldwide reality? I live in the suburbs of Northern Utah. I’ve had bikes stolen from my yard, items stolen from my truck, money stolen from my wife’s purse, and those are just the one’s I can think of. We probably create millions of little opportunities in our lifetimes. A phone left unattended for a moment, neglecting to lock your car, leavin…

> How can this not be at least a nationwide, if not worldwide reality?

It is certainly not worldwide. Take Japan for instance. Your stuff[0] left in the open will almost never be taken. And in the event they went missing, there's a good chance it's because someone took them to the nearest police box.

[0] Umbrellas on rainy days are notable exceptions. But they're so cheap (a few dollars) many consider them "communal" items.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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First, this survey seems to be about the last 5 years, which is noteworthy. Also, > a quarter have been threatened or physically attacked That's a much scarier thing. 1/4 people were threatened or attacked in a 5 year period? That's pretty rough

Does being screamed at by a homeless person that they're going to murder you count as being threatened? Actual question... I didn't really think they were seriously going to try to murder me (particularly since these were usually either when I was walking my large dog or in the very crowded FiDi). I live in San Diego now.

Had a homeless guy sit behind me on the bart repeatedly saying he'd slice my neck if I turned around or moved at all. It was a mostly-empty car, and it seemed like he was serious and that nobody else was going to do anything. Wound up sitting still and bolting out at the next stop. Tried calling the cops after and they didn't care in the slightest. Just one of many incidents.

I live in Cambridge, MA now, and it's a million times better. Only thing remotely close that I've seen was one time biking past the Woods-Mullen Shelter in Boston (saw two other comments here call it "Mass and Cass"), except it's just one block and extremely tame compared to what you find all over the Mission, SOMA, and Tenderloin.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that if a rich, white or Asian tech worker decided to loot a Walgreens, they would get the book thrown at them. Look at the small business owners in New York who get arrested and charged with everything possible by the DA's office for defending themselves (until public pressure forces them to back down). That's where we are. This is what the people voted for, though.

Why would they loot a Walgreens when they could loot the payroll? Wage theft is the most common form of theft[1] in the country and it's almost completely unenforced. [1] https://www.epi.org/publication/wage-theft-bigger-problem-fo...

Real payroll doesn't work like in Andor, or the old American West. :) You have to be in a position to personally profit by convincing your employees to underreport their time.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

Who did you vote for?

You can't vote yourself out of this situation.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#399

I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

And this is a reason among others why I left. Tired of the bullshit.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty well established that addictive drugs cause users to commit petty theft to support their drug habit.

Switzerland had a huge heroin problem. They fixed it by decriminalization and treating it as the medical problem it really is. You can now get the addictive drugs injected at your doctor's office. Both petty theft and addiction plummeted. So it's not the addictive drugs causing these things. It's the policy around drugs that is causing it. See also how Portugal reduced a widespread heroin and crime problem.

1) You can now get the addictive drugs injected at your doctor's office.

2) ... and addiction plummeted.

Hmmmmmmm... It doesn't make sense.

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