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>Ideas, especially those that stoke resentments, are like viruses. The problem is that people make statements like this but apply them selectively. E.g., platforms like major news networks are happy to give airtime to the claim that people alive today, who never owned slaves and are very likely not descended from anyone who did, must pay reparations to others alive today who were never enslaved and may well not be de…
How is this relevant to the question of whether censorship is effective?
Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society
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The point is, countering negative ideas with suppression does not work . Countering speech with more speech is better. Roger Baldwin, founder of the now gone-astray ACLU, may have put it best [1], > Host: "What possible reason is there for giving civil liberties to people who will use those civil liberties in order to destroy the civil liberties of all the rest?" > Roger: "That's a classic argument you know, that's w…
This is the core of your argument, and if true, it’s unassailable. However, I don’t believe it’s true. Do you have evidence that it is? I don’t mean well-crafted arguments by respected people, but actual evidence.
For my part, I’ve seen evidence to the contrary. Elsewhere in this thread, there’s a study that cites the positive benefits of deplatforming on Reddit. I’ve also observed that online forums invariably turn into cesspits if they aren’t moderated. The larger the forum, the more aggressive that moderation has to be, to the point of banning and shadowbanning. HN does it. (For that matter, downvoting is another form of deplatforming, in that it literally pushes other people’s opinions out of sight.)
So there’s two points of evidence that make me believe that deplatforming is effective: one is academic; and one is the personal observation, that I think we’ve all shared, that moderated fora work better than unmoderated fora. What evidence do you have? Please summarize rather than just posting links.
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The key quote is this: "most academic work has nothing to do with diversity, so these mandatory statements force many academics to betray their quasi-fiduciary duty to the truth by spinning, twisting, or otherwise inventing some tenuous connection to diversity." In other words a researcher studying a topic unrelated to diversity will need to lie by claiming that there is a link.
"Our lab specializes in developing hypergraph analysis techniques with applications in cybersecurity. The success of these techniques will force threat actors to innovate in order to survive. As more diverse organizations are more innovative [1][5][26] and threat actors are rational and well-informed [9][10], we expect our efforts to encourage threat actors to become more diverse as more effective cybersecurity techn…
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#394This sounds bad! Not all research has anything to do with equity, inclusion, or anti-racism.
>all social psychologists are now required to submit a statement explaining 'whether and how this submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP.'"
Oh, so it wasn't a "litmus test" or hard requirement.
Emphasis on "whether". His research didn't have to do anything with DEI. He could have very easily just said "This research has nothing to do with equity, inclusion, and anti-racism." and been done with it, but instead chose to make a mountain out of a molehill and rage-quit his position in this association to make himself a martyr for the anti-DEI movement.
>As of now, everybody presenting research at the society's upcoming conference will have to pledge that their work advances political goals.
This is a lie that is disproven by quotes provided in the article. Once again, you are not required to "pledge" anything. You just have to state whether your research has anything to do with EIAR, and if it does, what it has to do with EIAR.
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Let's apply this to a material, concrete condition that exists in our world. We can all hopefully agree that: A) Redlining existed B) Redlining was explicitly racist C) Redlining has impacts that are still felt today Let's use an antiracist lens to talk about it and compare to a modern, liberal "just don't be racist" lens. The standard liberal response is, "well, redlining is over, and we know now not to do that. So,…
The question of course is then at what point do reparations end? My heritage is Polish. How much do the Germans owe me?
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I... This seems pretty different than what Haidt is painting it as. This is saying sociology research should communicate if it engaged with communities that haven't been a part of this sort of research in the past.
Yeah it looks like it's just an opportunity for "unusual" datasets and research by the "outsiders" to possibly break through academia's typical cronyism. Edit: it's actually sort of hilarious that Haidt's Moral Foundations Theory can't come up with any diversity angle. Is it foundational or not? It's got the smell of someone selling a Grand Unified Theory being annoyed that they're asked to check off whether and how…
Imagine giving papers that described how they advanced Christendom priority.
Ironically, "saluting" DEI in academic papers has the opposite of the ostensibly intended effect.
Political alignment of professors favors the left by 9 to 1. If anything, favoring DEI will cement "academia's typical cronyism".
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>"That's a classic argument you know, that's what they said about the nazis and the communists, that if they got into power they'd suppress all the rest of us. Therefore, we'd suppress them first. We're going to use their methods before they can use it.""Well that is contrary to our experience. In a democratic society, if you let them all talk, even those who would deny civil liberties and would overthrow the governm…
> I can raise you book burnings and gulags and death camps galore. Yes, the famous events that come from letting everyone speak: book burnings and death camps. If we could just burn enough books, we could keep books from being burned forever. If we silence enough people, we can keep people from being silenced.
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#398Seems like one can submit their works, advancing diversity goals, simply by claiming one's membership of one or more minority groups
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I think this is a pivot society ought to make in a larger extent very soon. Applies to things like “nuclear extortion” ala Russian in Ukraine too.
I am becoming more sympathetic to this, too. Real liberals (not necessarily leftists, although perhaps so) need to start punching back, hard . Slippery slopes are real and we're on one.
The alternative looks like a replay of all the worst stuff from social repression to actual nuclear war-given the misinformation propping up the Russian invasion of Ukraine and nuclear threats.
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So, I like the voting system on social media because it surfaces good comments. But I don't like when the vote ranks stifle good retorts, which is what has now happened here. Logged out users won't see this entire thread of replies because the comment to which you are replying is marked "dead". What's the solution?