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Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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Wait, the Ethereum blockchain alone was consuming 0.5% of the world's total energy?

Wait until you hear how much of the world's total energy is wasted on ads (manufacturing, transmission, power usage) or spam email.

That's a good company for cryptocurrencies to be in, don't you think? Just as wasteful and useless.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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It worked. And it reduces the world's energy bill by 0.5%: https://twitter.com/JonathanBeuys/status/1570305323629527046 I feel a great disturbance in the force. As if a million miners cried out all at once and then were suddenly silenced.

Now all we need to do is shutdown the gaming industry. It’s so wasteful to be using electricity when we could all be playing chess or Yazee instead.

You're trying to compare mining farms running 24/7 with people using a single card for a probably an hour a day on average. Without actual data on the number of users, this is meaningless.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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I gotta say, I’ve been really cynical about this and honestly thought Ethereum would keep putting off the move to PoS forever. I’m very very happy to be wrong. I still don’t see the value in cryptocurrency as a project, but now that it’s not rolling back years of renewable energy development, I’m down to have some much more interesting conversations about Ethereum, and I may even be willing to buy some and try it out…

Will this reduce video card prices?

They're already dropping plenty. Ars Technica reported[0] a few weeks ago that nVidia is currently struggling with a stock surplus, rather than deficit, and Amazon UK has several RTX3070 SKUs shipping at MSRP or thereabouts.

0. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/nvidias-excess-inven...

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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Now all we need to do is shutdown the gaming industry. It’s so wasteful to be using electricity when we could all be playing chess or Yazee instead.

Gaming does something i.e. entertain. Crypto does nothing. Or you could argue, it 'entertains'. But in a way that is unnecessary (it's a distraction, not entertainment), and in a manner that creates unnecessary energy costs (PoW vs PoS).

You definitively live in the first world. As a person that lived in a third-world, dictator infested country for 3 decades, I can tell you, OWNING your own money is LIFE CHANGING. I prefer not to have games, or netflix, or anything, but have financial certainty.

For you guys money is a done deal. For a HUGE part of the world, something as basic as money (or even water) is not. Try to be a little bit more empathic.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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Now all we need to do is shutdown the gaming industry. It’s so wasteful to be using electricity when we could all be playing chess or Yazee instead.

Gaming does something i.e. entertain. Crypto does nothing. Or you could argue, it 'entertains'. But in a way that is unnecessary (it's a distraction, not entertainment), and in a manner that creates unnecessary energy costs (PoW vs PoS).

It's unnecessary to you - a person living in a developed country with democracy and stable banks.

It might work as a backup option to people who are less lucky. That's the majority of the world. Whether it's a good option depends on a situation.

In any case, it's not for you to judge if it's necessary or not.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#396

It worked. And it reduces the world's energy bill by 0.5%: https://twitter.com/JonathanBeuys/status/1570305323629527046 I feel a great disturbance in the force. As if a million miners cried out all at once and then were suddenly silenced.

Now all we need to do is shutdown the gaming industry. It’s so wasteful to be using electricity when we could all be playing chess or Yazee instead.

Please don't take HN threads on flamewar tangents.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32848104.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#397

It worked. And it reduces the world's energy bill by 0.5%: https://twitter.com/JonathanBeuys/status/1570305323629527046 I feel a great disturbance in the force. As if a million miners cried out all at once and then were suddenly silenced.

Now all we need to do is shutdown the gaming industry. It’s so wasteful to be using electricity when we could all be playing chess or Yazee instead.

And the we are going to ban entertainment all together, only then we can produce more wealth for shareholders :)

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#398

I appreciate it wasting less precious energy. But this change also means that "Decentralisation" and "Power to the people" are fading away right? The wealthy actors are the ones dictating the transaction now and they also on top get paid for being rich. This does not sound like a "better financial system" for me. Also, don't forget the DAO Fork[0] where with the "ungovernable Blockhain" it was decided a transaction w…

PoS is way more decentralized than PoW, as there are many more home stakers than 'home PoW miners'. Some numbers here https://ethsunshine.com/

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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I gotta say, I’ve been really cynical about this and honestly thought Ethereum would keep putting off the move to PoS forever. I’m very very happy to be wrong. I still don’t see the value in cryptocurrency as a project, but now that it’s not rolling back years of renewable energy development, I’m down to have some much more interesting conversations about Ethereum, and I may even be willing to buy some and try it out…

Monero is the only cryptocurrency that is fulfilling its original promise (basically digital cash, untraceable) and that is being banned left and right by exchanges these days. ETH is more of the old power balance with slightly new players without all the previous regulations (i.e. scams everywhere).

It is really a canandrum IMO. Being untreceable like cash has advantages, for sure. But humans will always need to interact with each other, and some interactions rely on certain levels of trust.

A small part of the reasons our society is safer, in comparison with a hundred years ago, is that wealth is held by large institutions and cannot be stolen (as oposed to storing gold and jewlery at home). Thus making personal violent crimes slightly less lucrative.

Trust in banks and government arguably yeilded some benefits as a tradeoff for privacy. Monero might be too far for many people. In some ways the value not migrating from Bitcoin to Monero proves it to some extent. The institutions refusing to make the transition proves distrust in their system, also to some extent.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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Will this reduce video card prices?

Potentially after the chip and supply chain crisis

The switch to proof of stake is not exactly abrupt, it was,discussed and planned well in advance. I bet the video card makers must have been preparing.
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