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Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

#391

Post by rainbowzootsuit »

pwpw wrote: post #94
dchuk wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you switch the same week they were going to announce all new stuff?

There's a 2 week return period, and I wanted to be sure I'd be fine switching to iOS before buying an expensive new device. Part of the reason I'm switching is the new Pro models are a lot closer to Android phones with features like always on display. Based on the rumors, I was pretty sure what to expect today, so I have just been onboarding myself with iOS yesterday and today and can return the phone by the time I s…

I was disappointed to find that if you return an iphone it gets recycled, as in destroyed and ground up to materials, rather than there being any channel of refurbished/open box sales.

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by mrweasel »

gman83 wrote: post #153

Do people still get excited for these smartphone OS updates? I remember a couple of years ago I couldn't wait to see what the new features were. Now I don't think I've changed the way I use my phone for several years.

I'm more annoyed than excited. Each new version brings in a load of new stuff I really don't need. Features are basically never removed. The whole things is becoming a cluttered mess.

New updates brings features that might be important or useful to some subset of users, while to the rest of us they are something we need to deal with, either remove if possible or learn to ignore. Personally I use iMessage, a browser and a few other apps, but fairly irregularly. That mean that any addition to iOS is an annoyance. The lock screen, with all the gizmos, annoying and pointless. Personalization feature... Sort of pointless if you don't also allow me to disable the gesture that turns on the camera, seriously that is the ONLY personalization I wish to do.

It's understandable that they don't make it, but I'd like an iOS light. One that has the bare minimum of features, for those who use their phones for calls, text messages and a few basic apps.

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by criddell »

rainbowzootsuit wrote: post #391
pwpw wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a 2 week return period, and I wanted to be sure I'd be fine switching to iOS before buying an expensive new device. Part of the reason I'm switching is the new Pro models are a lot closer to Android phones with features like always on display. Based on the rumors, I was pretty sure what to expect today, so I have just been onboarding myself with iOS yesterday and today and can return the phone by the time I s…

I was disappointed to find that if you return an iphone it gets recycled, as in destroyed and ground up to materials, rather than there being any channel of refurbished/open box sales.

https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

#394

Post by mrweasel »

jafjaf wrote: post #252
gman83 wrote: post #153

Do people still get excited for these smartphone OS updates? I remember a couple of years ago I couldn't wait to see what the new features were. Now I don't think I've changed the way I use my phone for several years.

What is there to implement once you’ve reached perfection?

"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by nabakin »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #387
nabakin wrote: post #331

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I see comments now and then which seem to break HN rules. When I do I report/flag them and they are almost always removed. I'm sure there are comments dang misses or maybe he and the other moderators think they don't make the cut. I don't claim to know dang's exact reasoning here and I'm sure he's not perfect, but it does seem like you are consistently saying inflammatory things. You say you mean no disrespect and I…

> you must be joking > That is disrespectful. I've found though that a lot of people don't realize they are being inflammatory when they use inflammatory language. Sorry, but how is telling someone they're joking being disrespectful? It's an honest question. These lawyering mental gymnastics to try to nitpick my comments and turn them against me are just unbelievable. > This part for sure (and yes, I did read the com…

> Sorry, but how is telling someone they're joking being disrespectful?

Because you know I wasn't joking. You're saying that what I'm saying is a joke when you know I'm serious. They're not lawyering gymnastics. It's instantly felt by those who read it. It's not a monotone reading and retroactive "hey, that was disrespectful". It hurts immediately after reading those words.

> I meant that in a humorous way, not in a hurtful way

It may be humorous to those reading and on your side, but is hurtful to the person you're replying to. That's what we're trying to avoid here.

There are ways to point things out or make arguments without hurting. Like instead of saying

> you must be joking

You could say

> that doesn't make sense to me

Or instead of saying

> Source, your ass?

You could say

> Do you have a source for that?

The key here is that anyone can say "your ass" and "you must be joking" but it doesn't make your argument, a better argument. No new claim was made. No new evidence was given. It was only added because it gave you a little high and it gave you that high because it was an attack.

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by tempodox »

btown wrote: post #316
jdadj wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, but the lock-in potential of passkeys [1] is concerning. [1] https://www.fastcompany.com/90755838/theres-a-big-problem-wi...

> FIDO’s current proposal has no mechanism for bulk-transferring passkeys between ecosystems. If you want to switch from an Android phone to an iPhone—or vice versa—you won’t be able to easily move all your passkeys over. Allowing each tenant to move thousands of highly-sensitive internal tokens to a competitor is something the credit card processing industry, somewhat surprisingly, has more or less solved. Most cred…

> a regulatory or PR nightmare later when high-profile stories accuse them of intentionally promoting lock-in.

Aren't there lots of instances of intentionally promoting lock-in on these platforms already? I haven't seen significant measures taken against that. How would this be different?

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by gw99 »

jsz0 wrote: post #359
l72 wrote: post #98

Still no ability to have separate accounts on an ipad... I sort of understand that a phone is a single user OS, but the ipad most certainly should be a multi user OS.

I wonder how many children have been traumatized by accidentally seeing their parents Messages on a shared iPad.

Can confirm my kids have and it wasn’t even a shared one.

Ergo I’d rather not have shared devices anyway. It was hell when we shared a family windows 2000 computer back in the day.

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by josephg »

derefr wrote: post #241
amelius wrote: post #151

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Apple's products are closer to a personal computer than most PCs ever were ...

"User accounts" in the security sense, maybe isn't the right abstraction. Have you tried logging in with multiple accounts on a Nintendo Switch? You're sort of just logged into all of them at once; and when you launch a given app/game, it asks you which profile you want to launch it under. To me, that'd be the perfect multi-user experience for iPad. Any user can unlock it with their own biometrics/credentials; once u…

When would you select user? The ipad is designed to swap between apps way more frequently than you swap games on the switch. If you have to select user every time you swap apps on the ipad, it would be horribly annoying.

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by Y-bar »

dntrkv wrote: post #347
thedougd wrote: post #311

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Most painful part of switching from an Android phone. I could always find an app, alphabetically, in one swipe from whatever I was doing.

Swipe down on the home screen and type in the app name.

On iOS you can also tap on the "search" button on the lower part of the screen above the dock. Or you could swipe to the rightmost pane where apps are sorted alphabetically.

Re: iOS 16 Available September 12th

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Post by leokennis »

jdadj wrote: post #82
toomuchtodo wrote: post #32

Passkeys gonna be fire. Goodbye password managers, credential stuffing, and phishing attacks! (photo deduplication is nice too btw, been a long time coming)

Indeed, but the lock-in potential of passkeys [1] is concerning. [1] https://www.fastcompany.com/90755838/theres-a-big-problem-wi...

Exactly. Planning for emergencies is a big factor in password/secret management.

Currently, managing and using close to a 1,000 passwords, all around 35 characters and completely random, is an absolute breeze using 1Password (and likely any password manager of choice) and my data is securely stored in a cloud I can access from any device (and from my neighbor's laptop if disaster should strike).

No way that I am handing over this functionality to a bunch of private keys that I can only access when logged in using a device from one specific vendor.

The security benefits are vastly less than the loss in portability/emergency use.

So the idea of passkeys is fantastic, but as long as I cannot store them in a central platform agnostic place, it's passwords for me.

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