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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by eastbound »

rjh29 wrote: post #383
vagabund wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth mentioning there's a very vibrant piracy community that abuses heroku's free tier for torrent to direct-download bots and myriad other purposes. Thousands and thousands of fake accounts using the resources to their limits 24/7. It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. I can understand why Salesforce has felt the need to restrict access.

> It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. Absolutely, piracy forums have guides to fake being a student to get an unlimited account, then mirror huge (1TB+) gdrives full of pirated content to your own. This was (is?) happening on a huge scale.

What prevents adults from sharing movies from their GDrive, is the consciousness that Google might revoke this account, the backup account and all of your identity for life. Unfortunately, if you did this to youngsters, they’re too young to have read enough horror stories.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by karmelapple »

countspongebob wrote: post #82
joshstrange wrote: post #26

So their next chapter is obscurity followed by shutting down? It was clear even before their horribly bungled GitHub security incident that Heroku was on life support at best and it's been a long time since "Heroku" was the answer to "What PaaS should I use?". The beancounters took control a while back and are sucking all they can out of it before they discard it's empty shell. Having Heroku as your PaaS provider see…

We are not shutting it down. As I said in the blog, our priority is making sure that Heroku choice is a good business decision for critical apps of all sizes. This does have tradeoffs, but getting the rug pulled out is not one of them - the opposite.

Nice to hear from you! We spend multiple tens of thousands of dollars every year and are on Heroku Enterprise, and have been on the platform for 10 years.

We could cut our price by about 50% moving to a competitor. We suspect AWS RDS will work very similarly to Heroku Postgres, and I have been unable to get much clarity from the teams at Heroku on precisely what Heroku Postgres is doing for me that AWS RDS would not do. Is it possible to find out precisely what Heroku Postgres is getting me that AWS RDS will not?

There's always a cost with transitioning, so if there would be some kind of price reduction possible for Heroku, that would eliminate me looking at competitors. I suspect this is out of the question, and you wouldn't want to comment publicly, but I sure would like a reply somehow indicating there may be some plans for this.

Some of the reasons I'm concerned: * the GitHub security issue that lingered for over a month * the DNS issue that hit the other day that resulted in our apps being only spottily available for multiple hours

Missing features, such as: * the lack of wildcard in Heroku Automated Certificate Management * having to share a load balancer with free dynos that might be doing suspicious things and therefore getting our apps blocked at certain customers, even when we're using Heroku Enterprise (this is one reason why I'm okay with free dynos going away, since we've been bit multiple times by this issue over the last decade)

Looking forward to a response - thanks!

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by hugocbp »

As many have already pointed out, I was one of those that started my developer carrer by using Rails + Heroku from tutorials and bootcamp.

To this day, I still haven't found a solution that works as easily as that Rails + Heroku duo did in that time. I still remember when I got my first real paying customer and in about 4 days had a "first version" of their webapp up and heard all the praise they gave.

And it was literally just a initial Rails app with login with Devise, a couple of resources of CRUD and a domain linked to Heroku.

I still have some apps there from my portfolio in the free tier. Probably time to move them somewhere else, but I, as many, was very, very sad to hear that news.

Heroku is past is heyday but I'll never forget my excitement when I got my first real customer app deployed, with database and everything, within hours, with no more than a few weeks of starting to learn programming under my belt.

It's not like they are shutting down right now, but it sure feels like that.

Thank you for the free tier for all these years, Heroku!

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by typeofhuman »

lddemi wrote: post #304
the_sleaze9 wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All it would take is a quick google... Heroku stock price is down roughly %50 from less than a year ago. Death spiral? I don't know. But slashing costs is certainly not indicative of Heroku having a super awesome fun time.

all tech cos are down 50% from a year ago

Box isnt. Up almost 21%. Just saying.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by sammy2255 »

bradgessler wrote: post #80
aarondf wrote: post #15

Fly.io has a dedicated process for moving off of Heroku. Auth via Heroku and they'll launch your app onto Fly. They also have a free tier. The process: https://fly.io/launch/heroku The docs: https://fly.io/docs/app-guides/speed-up-a-heroku-app I haven't used it [the Heroku -> Fly process] myself, but it's been around for quite some time!

Please let me know in the replies what you'd like to see at Fly that would make it as good, if not better, than Heroku. I recently started working at Fly to focus on making Rails & Ruby app deployments awesome, and of course Heroku set that benchmark almost a decade ago. I can't promise I'll get to everything, but I can promise that it will help me better prioritize what I should be focusing on to make Fly better for…

Better Frontend UI. I feel like everything is CLI

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by Varqu »

aarondf wrote: post #15

Fly.io has a dedicated process for moving off of Heroku. Auth via Heroku and they'll launch your app onto Fly. They also have a free tier. The process: https://fly.io/launch/heroku The docs: https://fly.io/docs/app-guides/speed-up-a-heroku-app I haven't used it [the Heroku -> Fly process] myself, but it's been around for quite some time!

Is it possible to import the app from Heroku (like in the top link) and then detach it and deploy directly from command line to Fly?

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by throwaway_4ever »

rcarmo wrote: post #280
ravivyas wrote: post #74

Alternatives - https://Railway.app - https://fly.io - https://render.com/ - https://northflank.com/

https://github.com/piku/piku if you’re self-hosting.

It's a little annoying to do it each time, but please always put a disclaimer you're the founder / project-creator when recommending it.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by jszymborski »

dicriseg wrote: post #379
jszymborski wrote: post #83

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Installing Dokku [0] is pretty easy on a VPS, and ergonomically it's felt a lot like (a cheaper) Heroku to me (although I only ever used the free apps). I just use the Heroku docs to create apps I can run on Dokku. Now, you need to deploy Dokku so I get how the two are dissimilar, but I wonder what it would look like for a company to try to offer managed dokku instances (perhaps this is already a thing?). [0] https:/…

Im about to go down this path for fun with the saas template I’ve built for myself, but my concern is what am I going to screw up security-wise? Im not an expert by any stretch - I know the basics. I guess we’ll find out! I just never worried about this with Heroku. I already use the paid tier there for some projects, but the writing seems to be on the wall, so I’m sampling the alternatives. Render is probably where…

Ya, certainly a concern when going from well-funded org with hired experts to just yourself.

For myself, I just run automated security updates (uptime is not a pinnacle concern for me), do the basic fail2ban set-up, ensure I have a bit of reporting. Most importantly, I pray to Cthulhu I'm enough of a low-priority target that all I need to fend off is drive-by attacks.

I try as much as possible to isolate e.g. credentials and sensitive information from public infrastructure. Everything else that is more sensitive I stick behind tailscale, usually hosted at home on Pis or my NAS.

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