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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still a period in which the increase in probability function could exhibit an exponential rate of growth though right? At 1 we are all dead as well right?
In principle, yes. In practice: in order for exponential growth (or any growth) to happen, things must have been smaller in the past. Do you want to argue that the risks were so much in the past? Eating insects is probably about as dangerous as it was ten years ago or twenty years ago. Not all that much has changed, or has it? If more people are eating insects than before that might increase risks. Are you suggesting…
Yes to both of your last 2 questions.
Mass production and consumption of insects is a recipe for disaster based on this research. The increased rate of mutation between insects and mammals is key driver for concern. Fruit flies are studied for genetic research due to observable rate of change and mutation is one of the key ingredients in catastrophic diseases.
Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's the racial component as well. For instance Spaniards (ethnic Visigoths) have near-total immunity to bad pork, whereas Jews (Jewish Diaspora, ethnic Jews) are very vulnerable. Think of it this way: if there was a public service announcement by the early Jews, where would they write it down?
This sounds pretty absurd and I can't find anything on Google about native Spaniards having any kind of special immunity to "bad pork", specifically pork tapeworm or any of the other common pig parasites. So if you've got some links I'd love to read more.
Not bulletproof but it comes with the cultural norms around cooking pork. In combination the cultural norms and the immunity mean pork isn't forbidden like it was by Moses in the Bible. That was the equivalent of a public service announcement for the early Jews, there was nowhere to say "don't eat this it'll kill you" than in one of the books of Moses. That message couldn't be separate from the Bible, everything was conveyed in the Bible.
But like a Spaniard eating nearly raw pork doesn't die. Extrapolate for bad pork, he'll spit it out if it's bad.
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And since when does your one-cent Google search trump my traveling to Spain in person?
Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've read a medical research paper about the resurgence of some nasty parasitic disease in Israel with the breakdown by religious community[1]. Turns what? The stricter the dietary laws for the community were - the less infections occurred. And we're talking about sheep here, which is similar in size to pig. There are might be a confounding variables here though, i.e. some communities are mostly urban, others are mor…
There's the racial component as well. For instance Spaniards (ethnic Visigoths) have near-total immunity to bad pork, whereas Jews (Jewish Diaspora, ethnic Jews) are very vulnerable. Think of it this way: if there was a public service announcement by the early Jews, where would they write it down?
I had thought that pork that was handled carelessly was just more prone to foodborne disease, and that happened to be the case at that time--not something genetic like lactose intolerance. It's pretty recent that Americans are even now okay with rare pork, and that's because improvements in preparation reduced the risk. For that matter, there's nothing all-that-magical about chicken that it can't be eaten raw in theory, it's just that salmonella is very very common.
Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#395I don’t get why it’s so hard for people to just stop eating animals.
Over the years I've seen several female friends try to stay vegan. One managed a decade before she couldn't put up with the anemia any more. The others quit sooner, because of weight loss, malnutrition, and other issues. It seems humans were evolved to scavenge animals as well as eating plants. It's not just protein, it's iron and fats, and a few other things.
> It seems humans were evolved to scavenge animals as well as eating plants.
This is certain. Even most animals considered "herbivores" will opportunistically eat meat when presented with an easy way to get it.
Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
I love how the guy is getting punished for misusing a math term.
'Asien' didn't misuse any math terms. I don't know why they're being downvoted. 'Shaburn' made some claims that sounded like they want to be math, but didn't make any sense as math. Hence my confusion. I recognise that people use terms colloquially, like 'exponential', but given all the (pseudo?) sophisticated, math-y language in the comment > Given the rate of mutation and transmission in bugs with natural gestation…
1. Number of people eating bug(driven by mimesis pushed through a media narrative and thus typically viral(often exponential).
2. Number of variety of bugs being eaten(regionality and entrepreneurialism((often referred to as Cambrian explosions in perfectly competitive markets, thus exhibiting exponential growth functions)).
3. Number of geographies bugs for consumption being grown in.
4. Number of production methods and processes.
5. New combinations of genetics of peoples and insects/infectious organisms being consumed. Think Montezuma's revenge or lactose intolerance in certain regions of the world except possibly contagious and deadly
Multiply all that by orders of magnitude faster gestation cycle and thus the chance for mutation, aside from technology developed to support existing food chain, Number of mutations per lifecycle, increasing the chances of deadly DNA combination by 12x, so order of magnitude.
Average lifespan of... A. Bacteria: 12 hours B. Insect: 12 months C. Mammal: 12 years (shortest being the primary disease harbinger, the rat).
Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most books have reasonably-sized paragraphs.
I just picked a book at random: Moby Dick , by Herman Melville. First thing that popped into my head. Scanning through the first chapter (thanks to Project Gutenberg) I easily found a paragraph that looks larger than the discussed comment, starting with "Lord save me, thinks I". Indeed has 520 words, which is almost twice the comment's 277. I'm with Antirez here: dumb Americans who can't read and all that. Though any…
> I just picked a book at random: Moby Dick, by Herman Melville.
I think that's a poor example - Moby Dick isn't exactly praised for ease of casual reading (and internet comments should definitely fall in the category of casual reading. Relative ease is a choice, and the parent comment was just suggesting that the other comment would find wider reach if it were easier to parse)
> I'm with Antirez here: dumb Americans who can't read and all that
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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? Enemies? You genuinely think people want you to eat less meat because they're your enemy ?
middle-class american urban yuppies who've given up on McD a few months ago and now insist the rest of us should follow suit? not the enemy, just their useful idiots. global elites with their private jets, yachts, islands and castles preaching to us unwashed masses to tighten our belts and lower our expectations as they bring about the end to our peace and prosperity? yes, absolutely, they are my enemy - and yours, i…
> global elites with their private jets, yachts, islands and castles
People were harping against meat long before the elites opened their mouths about it. For all you know, the elites' suggestion to eat insects is a ploy to get people like you to do the exact opposite. Maybe YOU'RE the useful idiot.
Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#399I was thinking of raising insects for my cat to hunt in the apartment, and had the idea that maybe an indoor farm could become parasite-free after a generation or two of treatment with ivermectin.
I searched the article (didn't read) for the words "ivermectin" and "treatment". Nothing specific, but it did have this to say:
> The high prevalence of selected developmental forms of parasites in the evaluated insect farms could be attributed to low hygiene standards and the absence of preventive treatments.
I kind of assumed that bugs raised for reptiles, etc. would be treated, but maybe not.
What do you think?
Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)
#400Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the brakes should be slammed until that is answered. Unless we want another pandemic. Given the rate of mutation and transmission in bugs with natural gestation and migration, the probability of catastrophic outcomes is exponential without a similar dataset in other human food sources.
> [...] the probability of catastrophic outcomes is exponential [...] What does that even mean? Do you want to say that the probability is high?
The combination of factors makes the chances of a catestrophic outcome increasingly higher as the volume of inputs increases, thus, exhibiting exponential increase in risk until finality.